Islam is not just about Osama bin Laden and his bunch of lunatics who use the ignorance of many to further their personal agenda. Since the constitution of the United States assures freedom for all regardless of religious affiliation, I see no problem in building this structure.

Javier Bardem is one of this generation's best actors.

"It's not a mosque, Captain Cretinous, it's an Islamic cultural centre. "

"Well, that means that they're going to tear down the dilapidated coat factory and put in a place where Muslims can come and hang out. There is a basketball court, a swimming pool, a gym, and a MOSQUE, several offices, a small museum. "

Huh Huh Cretin Huh haa ha

Frankly I tend to agree with Henk (where he is coherent).

The Greens have no real platform outside of the environment and even then it is tenuous at best. They offer little for education, foreign relations, healthcare, security, Internet censorship, etc.

I wish there was a solid Libertarian party. I would vote for them. Enough of this nanny state government. let people make their own decisions and if they fuck up, they fuck up.

Abbot and Costello (I mean Gillard) are really both from the same party. The only real difference is where the money comes from. Either the banks and big business or labour unions.

I'm not sure whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you Henk... but the latter seems to be gathering more momentum with every ill informed fanatical rant you post.

Cultural void my arse!!! I live in West Central Illinois...More like a cultural Black Hole...Not even light can escape. It was widely held for many centuries that mind space where I live could not be empty.

The concept of a U.S. State filled with healthy active minds remained in vogue among some politicians up until the late twentieth century. Television and Religious Propaganda have gone a long way to disprove this theory.

It's retards with guns, cars, and television stations. It sucks in anything that comes within it's furthest gravitational pull.

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Or, mike, it's hilarious!

I'm an atheist, and I pissed myself laughing.

It's not a mosque, Captain Cretinous, it's an Islamic cultural centre.

What does that mean?

Well, that means that they're going to tear down the dilapidated coat factory and put in a place where Muslims can come and hang out. There is a basketball court, a swimming pool, a gym, and a mosque, several offices, a small museum.

You've got to get over this whole "laws for us and laws for them" BS. Where the twin towers stoot is not sacred, it's not hallowed ground, it's the site of a terrorist attack, 3,000 people died because of what terrorists did, not what moderate muslims did.

If I have a bias that I'm unaware of, Gilly, please let me know, I'd like to tatoo it on my forehead.

Wow Thanks I must remember those points when I go to court and face trial on this issue........Duh

Like the article mine was an opinion piece and believe it or not I was stating my position up front and making my bias clear
Yes bias because I can understand why 71% of US citizens dont want a mosque built overlooking a mass grave supposedly caused by the Muslims
I can see future issues with organisations, Christian included who may take offence to the people in the mosque and the mosque itself and cause trouble
To suggest that it is moved and any future conflict be averted probably ranks in the common sense basket and will be dismissed
and just for Jake.

30 year trial lawyer, I am in awe

I get really fed up with the media assumption of all these power dressed 30 something women that have put off having children to focus on their careers as if we are all highly paid executives.

I'm 34, came out of a 9 year relationship about 4 years ago and hoped I would meet someone but unfortunately you can't MAKE people fancy you. I'm attractive (I get plenty of men chatting me up but they are only looking for one night stands and I am not), intelligent, I have a job (not a career there is a difference) I go out with my friends (although the occasions to do this dwindle as they pair off settle down and shop for DIY goods) and have hobbies and interests, but it's not even a case of being too fussy or not settling for second best - I literally haven't met a man.

Although I'm totally broody and notice more and more that I have missed my window, I wouldn't go it alone for a variety of reasons, but I do get really mad when it's as if this is what I've chosen because I've been too engrossed in spreadsheets to look up at the biological clock and realise that it's half past baron. You can't force people to fancy you and fall for you. Some of us are just unlucky and are eternal aunts - it does make me feel sad but there is nothing I can do about it so I just get on with my day.

wow, what a stupid cartoon. everyone who finds it funny is either a crazy judgmental christian or a dumbass who needs to research what atheism is.

Xheesh Friendo, are you in a cultural void over there? I am just at ill at ease in a government secular cooking school... every fifth person is a retard with a knife... apparently the school with retards with tool boxes is overflowing,,,

I am not sure if I have really had a problem with a person because of what they are until they start walking around with it. Thats when I tell them.


Its the domain of the crotchetty old fart, you tell folk where you fucked up so they dont repeat it..

I still remember a conversation i had with two plain as drawl Oz girls at tech... they said how wonderful lebanon is (just after the bombings)... and how much they like being there... I pointed out that whilst they are dressed as nuns in our culture, why not return to lebanon for good?
It's OK friendo, I said the same to nuns recently who decided to go full costume out in the street..

same as it ever was...same as it ever was

Goldilocks? hitting up on evolutards and christiophobes? when? you have never once made a point... you know, argued a case.. cums with the porridge bowls methinx


All religious loons are the same. If you cant even contract for loss, how can you even wax philosophically..

It will be a pity to see all the nice music go,...apparently its probably gone anyway..
It will be a pity to see all the nice buildings go, but at least we'll get rid of all those ugly protestant chook feeding pens.

At least we wont lose any good literature, anything religiously relevant was all recorded long ago.


anyway goldilocks, comb your hair wiper your arse and mouth, not that the order matters in the case of the forest denizens... go meet squirrel or the greens... she has a...twig


how does it go again? "Onward christian bigotss... life starts with a gun.."

ah yes, a trial lawyer for sure...no reference, hearsay rules the room

A couple of debating points guys. Calling the other fellow a f--king moron has not much to recommend it as a tactic. Either you are stating the bleeding obvious, in which case the other party has probably established that of himself any way, or you lose the reader as they wonder which moronic matter you are referring to.

Gilly, as a trial lawyer of some thirty years experience, I can tell you that starting your argument by admitting that you have not reviewed the evidence (I havnt watched them and I can see no reason...) is a sure way to lose any argument. In deed, the whole tactic of arguing from personal incredulity, supposing that being incapable of thinking of no answer to a question or reason for an action makes you somehow representative of the whole of humanity, is a fallacy of logic. A famous bishop once admitted he could think of no good reason why polar bears needed to be white, thereupon basing his whole argument against evolution as a theory on that one limit in his thinking. An Inuit could have given him at least three reasons why white was a very good colour for the said bear.

Personally, my favourite part of these debates is how quickly the Christian soldiers divert from any argument based on fact and revert to personal abuse.

Onward Christian Soldiers...

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P.S. I love this shit.

. I wont make that mistake again
You are a sook and one of the most biased people I have met
hiliting your evolutard and Christiophobe attitude is my favorite pastime
Toughen up boy

"what's with the green badges on those guys?"
"They are believers, ignore them"
"So why don't we eat them?"
"We do, there's a biscuit factory on centauri!"

I dont agree with Jake. If we ignored everything that was stupid, we would be doing daily flights to proxima centari and alpha canis on $30 virgin fares with a guaranteed non environmental loaded meal half way through these 4 hour flights.

A religious diesel engine? I'd like to see that! Holy cow...

"Hey look guys, half way to centauri! No mass at all in transfer"
" I saw a whole lot of acupuncturists in cattle class"
"MMM MMM, I love acupuncturists steaks"
"I prefer the yingyang!"


"why is it "Virgin" interstellar lines anyway?"
"You sold your arse when you signed up for the credit card!"

Did you say you were a scientist in the field Jake?


Its fairly unsurprising, human sexual activity lends itself to the transmission of a number of diseases. The benefit is fun and games and sometimes babies.


The surprising thing for me is, you guys didnt notice that STD lists are rising every year as we broaden the definition of STD.

Jake has had issue with a moron called "VINE" who proudly proclaims every headline paper that may support associations between vaccinations and the increasing autism spectrum. In such cases Jake was right to draw the conclusion, we dont know what or why autism appears to be more frequently diagnosed, but it has absolutely no correlation with vaccines.

Common diseases such as herpes and chlamidia were not even considered STD's until well into my adulthood. HPV was not even recognised as one until I was getting close to my 40's.


If you rightly consider these as STD's, what other conditions will be earmarked as a bonking virus or fucking infection in future?


We have lived for a hell of a long time with contact diseases. Taking the Moody and papal preferred course is just taking it a bit too far... education helps and from this article.. there are a hell of a lot of dumb fucks circulating..



That's a surprise?


There's plenty of bugs, elements, nuclides and compounds that I have dealt with in my career work and home life that are now considered "streng verboten".

What was the key to all this enlightenment? Education. In the case of this discussion, sex education by trained people (not an arbitrarily assigned school teacher) and an awareness of issues in the adult community, harm reduction practice and a bit of good old Darwinism will go a long way to alleviating our medical intervention load.


"Going into" is hardly a sex education lesson... and lets face it, the church used to torture folk with fire...we all know waterboarding is just dandy...

Amateurs

Crochet? armchairs at 5!

No quite the opposite, i see absolutely no science in the greens.. maintaining our forests, creating a VFR and home dentistry is not a platform...


The environment is to be solved by real, hard technology... not by flag waving by doddering old fools trying to attract the vote of arts students.


Maybe had they mentioned real solutions.. but no


Aries, get that organic hand out of your back side and look... technology wastage occurs everywhere... Just adresseing those issues would make Oz dip below current global targets... personally I'd like to see something clean and safe such as clean nuclear technologies start Australia down the path of carbon emission negativity and market expansion. I's like to see absolute recycling, not the lip service Australians pay to it.


Maybe you're a Leo


digging a hole in the ground gets us naught... but then maybe you're the one in bed with wingnuts and bob... christine would make an interesting deluded addition to you three


No technological solution... no world..

mind you growing heritage pyethrin daisies in a prize wheat field is "just a little bit bullshit"

I agree with your assertion that all atheists are ignorant and stupid for not believing in god and your savior Jesus Christ, if only we were 10 times more ignorant and stupid, then such belief would probably be possible.

Biased, yes, I agree, Gilly. Given my close proximity to Ground Zero (i.e. I live in f*cking Australia you moron), I can see how my bias would effect my commentary.

You claim that Americans of all faiths and backgrounds have a problem with the Mosque, but the same CNN poll that suggested 68% of New Yorkers did not want the mosque reported that 71% of respondants were Christians.

If people want to build Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Effigies, statues, Parthenons, why should you care? The same liberties which afford your religion the right to build houses of worship are awarded to other religions... want to have a cry about it? Go winge to your pastor, I'm sure he has a space in his rectory to accomodate you and all the other poorly educated cretins who called Helthcare Reform "part of the Communist/Socialist agenda" and are totally convinced that Obama is Muslim.

Also, you used a full stop to conclude one of your sentences. Good for you.

Y'all are ignorant and stupid for not believing in God and our savior Jesus Christ.

id virus_lg@yahoo.com

CRAP Jake
You are such an arrogant biased clown
Its got nothing to do with Christianity you trumped up troll. Only you would dredge up your tired old soap box and spill your boring old crappy bile out over and over again in relation to Christianity
The point is Americans from any faith or non faith see that this is wrong Any faith OR NON FAITH
you petty little man
You are just so one dimensional you have become perverted

Good luck living in the stone age Henk... You and Tony Abbott will be great company for one another...

I'm 98% sure that I'm a loon.

To a crazy person, the sane people are crazy people. It's all a matter of perception and relativism.

did i mention at any stage... absolutely technologically ignorant? I should have...these political homeopaths, chiropractors and naturopaths prancing in their middle aged zeal for recognition should be shut down by an enraged mob of their mental peers...athe demented of the nursing homes

Your right aries, it should have been "pig ignorant scientifically disabused crochet knitters that are the cause of the problem".

Religious loons are everywhere..let me rephrase that..loons are everywhere... the religious are in that subset of humanity


The forest denizens are in good company

reproductive strategies vary..


PS, Rick, dont try going to increase the average intelligence of the forest denizens. Aliens or no, the forest denizens took part in this..

The quran says that the earth rests on the back of a tortise. So it must be true too, after all, the paedophile mohammad, who consumated his marriage with his final wife when she was just 7, was God's last prophet.

I think Christopher Hitchens said it best when he referred to this project about being "about tollerance".

As you say though, I would not put it past Christian extremists to instigate a bombing campaign on the mosque.

Extremism is what America should be fighting, not a freaking Islamic cultural centre.

If Americans want to protest the building of ALL religious institutions in the country, I'll get behind that, but if they just want to ban a mosque, then they can kiss my shiny mettal ass.

Golly Gee Wizz Jake,

You are always so measured and well informed.

Good or bad, right or wrong, justified or not, I don't think I would be wanting to spend too much time in this proposed building. My bet is that some loon will try to bring it down as some heroic act of get-back-ism. I would think there will need to be some huge amount of security around this perceived symbol of Islamic whatever. But then, that's what the powers that be want. Power and control are bolstered by confusion and fear. And of course, we are a nation ruled by fear.

Oh, what am I thinking...there's nobody in this country crazy enough to try anything like that.

Sorry, link is http://www.blip.tv/file/4031543

I do not agree with the people protesting the mosque and have reported on it extensively on my podcast.

1 - it is not on ground zero, but 2 blocks away.
2 - Muslims died on 9/11 as well, and not just the extremists flying the planes.
3 - It was extremists who perpetrated 9/11, not your everyday Muslims. No man dies for what he knows to be true ~ Douglas Adams. (lets not forget what happens when extremist Christians have guns or bombs).
4 - There are Several churches and Temples in that same radius.
5 - There are also brothels, hot dog venders, banks, prostitutes, con artists, rapists, robbers, police, tax accountants and a whole range of other things you'll find in a city.

What I feel the outcry is about is the loss of the ubiquitous Christian Privelage. No longer is it just Christianity which is protected by "freedom of religion", Islam is accessing it now too.

There is a reason why Churches and Synagogues chose the area surrounding the WTC as good places to setup shop, it's because it is convenient and loads of people live in that area, which, I dare say, is exactly why Muslims want this place put up.

Get over it, America! (Obviously, when I say "get over it, America", I am not referring to 9/11, but specifically the mosque).

If you would like to listen to my commentary, you can do so here: http://blip.tv/file/4031543.

Actually, the bible says the world is flat with a dome that rises over the flat earth. So the world must be flat.

You know if you read the New Testament you will find nobody encouraging violence, in fact the opposite is taught Love and Forgiveness. Type" violence in the new testament" in to google
Now type in "violence in the Koran" and see what the Koran teaches
Islam want sharia law in Australia, I dont think most westerners know what sharia law is. If they did they would probably take up arms

I think that the Muslims shouldnt build out of respect, but I dont believe that Muslims crashed the plane
Honestly we need to accept integration does not work, we can kid ourselves but we know it cant work
and it seems more political and business driven than religious