The Cathars and the Weavers

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The Cathars and the Weavers

In the 11th century a religious sect called The Cathars gained popularity in Europe before reaching into France. The Cathars believed that the material world and its creator - the God of the old testament - were evil.

Cathar Priests preached that the material world was corrupt and that the only way to release 'the spark of light' in man was to destroy man and the material world.

At the order of the Pope in the 13th century, every last Cathar man woman and child was slaughtered by the Christian army, but it is believed that 4 High Priest weavers escaped and smuggled out a scroll written by Jesus Christ himself. The scroll was divided into 4 parts and hidden at locations around the world.

How do the weavers fit into all of this, and how did they store the location of the 4 scroll pieces? It's quite a story, and best appreciated if you watch the 11 minute documentary below.

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Monday 12th May 2008 | 07:45 PM

Umm, is this a parody or something? It seems kind of b-grade? The guy they keep interviewing reminds me of something from monty python.

If it's true, binary message transfers aren't quite as new as we thought - although the latency seems like it was quite a bitch.

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Monday 12th May 2008 | 08:03 PM

If the material world is evil, then women are evil. They trap our souls in bodies of flesh.

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Monday 12th May 2008 | 08:04 PM

"Crime is just a secular word for sin", hehehhehe.

Rodney's right. That guy is very Monty Python. I only got lhalf way through before I statred giggling hysterically. Especially the bit where Rumplestitiskin is refrenenced.

Do you you reckon anyone told that guy that wearing a bow tie made him look like a prat?

Because, you know, dividing the scroll into 4 parts (and spreading it around the world) doesn't count as destroying it.

Ok, enough commenting while watching. I love this stuff. Go conspiracy threories!

One more question.... how the heck do they find this footage?

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Monday 12th May 2008 | 08:05 PM response to this comment by Gong. Ok, I'm not talking to you anymore :-P

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Gina Squitieri

Monday 12th May 2008 | 08:36 PM response to this comment by Laiste. Good point, Laiste.

"Because, you know, dividing the scroll into 4 parts (and spreading it around the world) doesn't count as destroying it."

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Xavier D

Monday 12th May 2008 | 08:40 PM

Its legit. The bow tie guy doesn't help the credibility but apparently the story of Catherism is at least true and the same as they described it. Have a look at the wiki if you want more details.

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Monday 12th May 2008 | 10:23 PM

Hi Mikey,

Interesting video!
I will tell you this, to be able to understand the world today; one must go back 2000 yrs.
The relationship between the Pharisees and Jesus need to be examined along with that long history of events that took place. Then after Jesus Christ's death, the Romans expelled the Pharisees to Babylon, where they created Babylon the great, which was later destroyed in Noah’s flood (by the way Babylon was Iraq, for those who are not aware of this fact). Later the civilization that emerged in that area found sign of a flood from the past, so they built a high wall which is still there today, unless it's destroyed in this Iraq war. Anyhow, you must also be aware of Catholics role in invading all of the Middle East and stealing from their Museums and libraries especially from Alexandria, Egypt. Most of the answers to the true scriptures are in Vatican, they were stolen during the crusaders era (the true scriptures are there that were written by Jesus). Now why would they do that? Then you also must ask, why would Christians kill Christians, Muslims, and any other religions? The next question would be why the interpretation of the bible in the English language took so long to interpret, and why everyone that attempted to interpret it in the English language was assassinated? Every book that was printed during that period was burned to the ground and people were killed that had a bible, why would they do that and Destroy history?
The one that holds the true scriptures can control the masses thru misinterpretation and false Christian teaching. The Catholic Pope in the Vatican crowns himself king and lives a lavish lifestyle while there is poverty around the world, ever wondered why that is? He owns a whole city called the Vatican, lol. Is the Pope really a true Christian and following the true scriptures? Or has he been part of the implementation of the usury to enslave the world and wage wars to continue his greedy lifestyle? Food for thought!

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Monday 12th May 2008 | 10:51 PM response to this comment by Katrina. That's an astonishingly odd version of history. Let me correct a few parts for you:

the Romans expelled the Pharisees to Babylon, where they created Babylon the great, which was later destroyed in Noah’s flood
There's not one part of that sentence that's correct. By any standards. Firstly, the Babylonian exile, when the Jews (who you are calling Pharisees) were expelled from Israel into Babylon, pre-dates the Roman invasion of Israel by 656 years. Secondly, Babylon was well and truly established by the time the Jews arrived and was already the major power of the day. Thirdly, the Noah's Flood, you seem to be contending, happened in 70CE (AD), after the Romans sacked Jerusalem? Noah's flood, according to the Bible, happened thousands of years before Jerusalem was founded - so how could the Jews have been expelled from Jerusalem by the Romans BEFORE the flood? Your version of history seems to have the flood AFTER Jesus died (if he indeed ever lived)?!?!

Most of the answers to the true scriptures are in Vatican, they were stolen during the crusaders era (the true scriptures are there that were written by Jesus).
I don't believe Jesus didn't wrote any scriptures at all - Paul wrote them a few hundred years after his death. Even if he did write them, they had long been translated into Greek and spread around much of the area, a good 600-800 years prior to the Crusades beginning.

The next question would be why the interpretation of the bible in the English language took so long to interpret, and why everyone that attempted to interpret it in the English language was assassinated?
The Hebrew bible was translated in the 'common language' of the day (Greek), very early on - well before the foundation of Islam or the Crusades which followed. This was pretty much freely available to all, as was the Hebrew version. Early Christian Bibles, in Greek, were also available shortly after. English translations would have been simple to make for anyone who spoke Greek and English.

Every book that was printed during that period was burned to the ground and people were killed that had a bible, why would they do that and Destroy history?
You seem to be confusing the period of the Inquisition with the the Roman empire, so you're out by about 1,000 years.

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Tuesday 13th May 2008 | 05:08 AM

If the material world must be destroyed, why wasn't the scroll destroyed? Why didn't the Cathars destroy themselves as example? Why would revealing the scroll in 2012, and not at some earlier time, be necessary or even practical?

Prediction and forecast have been the premise for tales of irrational fear and dread since scary stories were told around the first campfire by early man.

One last point. What is written on the scroll is less important than who wrote it? Yet we are to believe that when read in 2012 it will bring about the destruction of our world? Sounds pretty important to me....

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Tuesday 13th May 2008 | 06:25 AM

This whole thing is ridiculous! Binary code in the Middle Ages? Give me a break!

There is not a shred of evidence that the four Cathars who escaped Montsegur had any scroll, split in four or anything. All we know is that the Inquisition had words from a captured Cathar that four of his number had escaped with 'the Cathar Treasure'. Now, could this perhaps have not been a veiled reference to anything? Could it have actually referred to.... wait for it.... MONEY? Money with which the Cathar survivors could have continued to support the remaining Cathar communities?

Whatever the "Treasure" is, we simply don't know... It could have been an enormous pumpkin for all the evidence we had. Some, including the Nazis, think it was the Holy Grail. We just don't know.

And the Cathars did not believe that they had to 'destroy man and the material world' AT ALL! That's just ridiculous. They were CHRISTIANS for God's sake! They believed that the Soul could be liberated from earthly life by the Holy Spirit through Christ...

This is just a load of hooey this page!

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Tuesday 13th May 2008 | 06:46 AM

Michael, interesting article. There is a series of books written by Michael Bagaent & co, namely, The Jesus Papers and Holy Blood, Holy Grail. These books go into a fair amount of detail with respect to the cathars and thier various spinoff religions, chiefly residing in France and Spain.

Without going into too much detail, the one major ideal I took away from the books, is that when history is written, it is written by the victor. The victor will embelish themselves whilst defaming the defeated. Nothing that made it into the various forms of history we have available to us is infalliable. Most especially anything pertaining to religion.

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Tuesday 13th May 2008 | 08:24 AM response to this comment by Pegasus. I think the binary reference was made by the film-maker to give it a frame of reference to what we know today. Back then they wouldn't have said it was ones and zeros - perhaps they would have said ups overs and unders (referring to the weaving pattern).

Admittedly I never heard about any of this before and its interesting.

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Tuesday 13th May 2008 | 01:03 PM response to this comment Whether it was destroyed or not remains to be seen. I've often wondered what works of great historical significance lay behind vaulted doors in the vatican secret archives...

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Gina Squitieri

Tuesday 13th May 2008 | 07:20 PM response to this comment by KBrahmer. You bring up very good points.

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Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 08:00 AM

I find religion is the only topic where a comment can resemble an essay :-/

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The Movie Whore

Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 09:42 AM

If you follow biblical thought. It sounds like the Weavers will be the ones to pave the way for the Anti-Christ to take power. This is of course only if you choose to believe what is written in the Bible.

If you don't then the Weavers will be the ones to put the one world government into to motion and under their reign.

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Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 10:32 AM


I have removed your comments, according to the RustyLime comment policy. This is the first time I have ever invoked, in all my time at RustyLime.">

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Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 10:34 AM

In the interests of "fairness" and termination of this line of discussion, I have also likewise removed my replies to your comments.

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Awesome Wells

Thursday 15th May 2008 | 06:22 AM

I'm happy you guys take a stance when people starting regurgitating the crap that Katrina said yesterday. I think she'd feel right at home hanging out with Mel Gibson's Dad. Pure poison.

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Thursday 15th May 2008 | 09:19 AM response to this comment by Awesome Wells. Thanks Awesome,

It wasn't a decision I took lightly and I consulted around before making it, to make sure I wasn't over reacting due to personal bias. Good to know at least someone thinks it was the right choice.

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Thursday 15th May 2008 | 12:22 PM

What was said?

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Thursday 15th May 2008 | 05:53 PM

An interesting video but I'm not sure how much of it I believe

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Thursday 15th May 2008 | 07:29 PM

Makes a good fairytale or even a hollywood script. Why would they separate the scroll and spread it around the world? Its the sort of thing you would expect an evil movie villain to do.

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Monday 4th May 2009 | 10:42 AM

After reading all the comments I felt I needed to write this brief entry. The Cathars were and are individuals who base their entire look at faith on the words of Christ. Their history is one that was all but destroyed by the Catholic Church. It would seem that the statement of Jesus concerning persecution rang true. "If you were of the world the world would love t's own, but because I have choosen you out of the world therefore te world hates you." He also states that he was persecuted and that his followers would also be persecuted. I believe that the genocide of the Cathars can be identified as persecution.

There are a few misconceptions concerning the Cathars. The first was their tie to the Bogomils. The Cathars predated the Bogomils. The Cathar's were founded even before the Catholic Church. The Cathars (as they are known) began by Disciples of Jesus who fled to Southern France to escape the Jewish and Roman authorities. After the crucifixion they were considered as fugitives. Those that fled to Southern France fulfilled the commission of Jesus listed in Matthew. "Go into all the world and make disciples. Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and teach them to obey all that I have commanded." In many ways the Cathars were a duplicate of the movement in Israel. The original believers were called "The Way". The Way and a history of it's actions are listed in the early chapters of Acts. The primary difference between the Cathars and the Way is this....persecution. The Way withstood the persecutions of both the Jews and the Romans. The Cathars on the other hand grew in nearly absolute freedom for nearly 1200 years. It was not until Pope Innocent III that the Cathars became identified by the Catholic Church as a heresy. When the Catholic Church first arrived in the region the Cathars greeted them and offered them friendship. Under Pope Innocent III churches were built. The problem was that the Cathars had no interest in attendance. He sent his best teachers to debate with the Cathars. Unfortunately for the priests they never convinced a single Cathar. In truth history records that the Cathars won every religious debate. Because of the Cathars Pope Innocent III allowed for Domonic Guzman to found the Dominicans. The Dominicans were the leaders of the Inquisitions. Most people see the Inquisitions as a brief period of church history when in fact it lasted several hundred years. But why did the Catholic Church feel so threatened?
Simply put because the Cathars challenged their authority and showed their theology for what it was....false. False? Yes I said false. I point to one simple place for anyone to start in their understanding. Jesus said call no man father. Yet everyone from the Pope to the local Priest is called father. It is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus. As you will see if you take the time to study it, the Cathars crime was calling the Catholics out.
I hope that in wrting this that maybe you can get past the man's bow tie. Yes he is misinformed on many things and construes history in a rather bizzare manner; but on somethings he is correct.

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