Ignorant parents guilty of killing daughter in prayer death case

Mikey 8 comments
Ignorant parents guilty of killing daughter in prayer death case

As you may recall from last year, 11 year old Madeline Kara died from a treatable form of diabetes because she was unlucky enough to be born to a pair of ignorant superstitious luddites. Madeline's parents thought that praying to God would be more effective than seeking medical help, and over a 30 day period she suffered through weakness, nausia, vomiting, loss of appetite and extreme thirst, until she deteriorated to her death. Here's my original article (which provoked quite a reaction) if you missed it.

One piece of has emerged. The parents (I use that term loosely) 47 year old Dale Neumann and 41 year old Leilani Neumann have been convicted of their daughters death and face up to 25 years in prison. They will be sentenced October 6 2009. Said Dale Neumann:

"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God. I am not believing what he said he would do."

Ignorance at it's finest, but at least they won't be able to breed again.

Thanks to Gina for the tip on this one.



Monday 3rd August 2009 | 12:00 AM
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You're welcome, Mikey.

It's a wonder this sort of thing doesn't happen more often considering all the churchgoers in the world.

The father's quote: "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God. I am not believing what he said he would do."

But did he forget that Luke, one of the writers of the gospels, was a physician?

Colossians 4:14
Luke the beloved physician and Demas salute you.

Who, I wonder, delivered the parents' daughter at birth? Was it a physician?

There is nothing in scripture that says forbids a person to go to a doctor, so the girl's parents must have gotten out their big black magic marker and crossed out these verses:

Matthew 9:12
On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Mark 2:17
...Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5:31
Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Maybe the parents read the following verse and thought that taking the girl to even one doctor would be pointless and a waste of money and time:

Luke 8:43
And a woman who had suffered from a flow of blood for twelve years and had spent all her living upon physicians, and could not be healed by anyone,
(And then the story goes that she touched Jesus' fringe/hem of His garment and she was healed.)

Would it have been totally out of the question for the parents to pray that God would lead them to a good doctor or that God would direct the physician to do good? I hate going to doctors. I have never liked it or preferred it. We all know the damage some can cause. Recently I read where women are being overtreated for breast cancer -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31831875/ns/health-cancer/ But I have to be honest and say not one of the doctors I have ever been to has ever harmed me or my daughter.

Anyway, that's all.

Good topic, Mikey

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Jake Farr-Wharton

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Monday 3rd August 2009 | 07:49 AM
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...in response to this comment by GinaSquitieri. Having spent some time living with a family of 'faith healers'/'christian scientists' on a student exchange program in high school, I feel qualified to agree with your statements Mikey, but honestly, they still don't come close to the utter arrogant stupidity that they foster in their life.

During my stay with them, I was unfortunate enough to have stepped on a rusty nail. Having had a tetanus shot as a prereq for my stay with them, I was not all that worried, but the wound became infected and I quickly became incredibly ill. Despite the prayers and 'heal by touch', and as much as I believed in my naivety that it would work, the infection did not subside and I went in and out of serious fever.

My parents called the house (as they had done so every few days) and when I told them I had an infection and fever, they called an ambulance for me (from where they were in another state of Australia) and I was taken to hospital and given antibiotics and was healthy within a week and a bit.

My fever could have spiked beyond the safe levels, leaving me with a permanent disability, the wound could have become gangrenous and I would have lost my foot/leg, or the infection could have easily spread to my blood stream placing my body in a septic state that would have killed me.

The message is, by all means, if you believe in your religion to such a degree that you believe it can heal you, awesome, do it; however, don't ever, ever, put someone elses life in the hands of your faith, especially not a child.

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Monday 3rd August 2009 | 08:56 AM
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I have nothing against religious beliefs but when criminal neglect in the guise of Gods Power overtakes common sense then that's where I draw the line.
All I can say is that when someone believes that the all mighty is better in healing than a Doctor then that individual needs to take a closer look at his or her beliefs.
They believe that God created everything yet they disbelieve that God gave humankind the knowledge and ability to learn and treat the human body?
It's a pity that God didn't give them a better mind - a mind that could tell them that God is spiritual no physical and that holy water is symbolic not magical and so on.
Could someone please give me strength to listen to all this cow dunn from my fellow humans. You could lend a hand too my one and only true God!

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Monday 3rd August 2009 | 12:47 PM
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Here's what really gets me about these extremist religious Whackjobs. If they knew anything about religion and they actually believed in their god as an all powerful creator, then surely they would know that if doctors exist, it is because God wants them to exist.

It reminds me of the story of the guy out fishing one day when he is hit by a freak wave. His boat overturns and he finds himself alone in the middle of the ocean, so he starts praying for God to save him. Soon enough a boat comes along and asks him if he needs any help, the man replies "No thanks, God will save me" and waves them on, strong is his faith. Soon a second boat comes, and then a third with the same offer of help, but again the man waves them on insisting God will save him soon.

Eventually, the elements get the better of the man, he becomes hypothermic and he drifts into unconsciousness and finally drowns.

When he arrives at the pearly gates he is greeted by God and he immediately asks him "God, why didn't you save me? I prayed and prayed and prayed but you did not come! Why did you let me die?

God says... "I SENT YOU THREE BOATS!!!"

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Wednesday 12th August 2009 | 04:49 PM
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"Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister..." Not surprising when you read that...

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Saturday 15th August 2009 | 11:25 AM


Yeah good ol Obama
He wants to kill everybody that is considerd useless
Maybe thats not sensationalist enough for rustylime, maybe too challenging, maybe its not anti religion enough
You just dont care about anything but personel agendas.

I am astounded by some peoples stupidity, its hard to excuse I agree. Allthough I have heard of people who criminaly neglect there children to death. Children locked in cages, malnourished, physicaly bashed to death. Raped tortured murdered. Parents who deserve to be? Actually I cant think of a fitting execution, it seems too quick.
But what
Evidently they are not held up for accountability by you kind folk, not judged, nor even valued.
I am at a loss. Almost seems this girls death is a joy to you. Like vultures, you circle and feed.

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Saturday 15th August 2009 | 12:21 PM

...in response to this comment by Cactus. What are you talking about? I fail to see the connection between what happened to this girl and bad Obama because "he wants to kill everybody that is considered useless" (Wait. Don't tell me. Rense.com! Friendo, is that you? Probably, seeing how Friendo used to put cactus in his morning shakes, as I recall. Bllllllechh.). And then to show everybody how much better you are then Obama is in that regard, you tell us how you can't think of a fitting execution for the girl's parents. But because we choose not to focus on that kind of garbage, we're actually the vultures who circle and feed and take joy in this girl's death? Right. Here YOU've been wasting precious amounts of human energy dreaming up ways the parents should be executed ... "nothing too quick" but WE take joy in death.

Cactus? Don't you think you should get some rest?

Kim OJ

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Saturday 15th August 2009 | 01:01 PM
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...in response to this comment by GinaSquitieri. Damn Gina you need to log in! Kudos :)

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