Hillary lied misspoke about Bosnia
Mikey 33 comments
The Obama vs Hillary war took an interesting turn today with the release of a CBS video out-rightly stating that Hillary lied about her experience in Bosnia. You can't make this stuff up - it's too damned good.
Hillary's camp says she misspoke, which I'm pretty certain is political dressing for 'she lied'. The Washington Post Fact Checker has awarded Hillary's version of events 4 Pinocchios. Naturally Obama and Co. are laughing it up as Hillary shoots herself in the foot with another unwelcome blow to her campaign. I wish politics here in Australia was as exciting as in the USA :-)
Check out the video below and make up your own mind.
...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. Yes it's true. My idea of 'exciting' is sadly rather boring compared to most :-(
Jake
Tuesday 25th March 2008 | 02:46 PMMikey, do you really?
I have a similar view of US politics being exciting and movie worthy, but I never for a second wish that Aussie poilitics were even remotely similar.
The US guys are actors with ambition and charisma, not people after a public service job.
...in response to this comment by Jake. I feel better already! I wouldn't want 'the same' here either but I guess what I really mean is that it's fun to watch.
Jim - Just A Guy
Tuesday 25th March 2008 | 03:47 PM...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. Right on the money Gina. It would be nice to have a real election instead of the farce that we have now.
Franken
Tuesday 25th March 2008 | 08:18 PMAh nice one Hillary. This goes to her credibility and as the guy said all the experience she drones on about is likely in her head.
Kim OJ
Tuesday 25th March 2008 | 11:25 PMPeople get the politicians and campaigns that they deserve in a democracy, so you Aussies can be proud of your selves. That this little insignificant blip of a slip from Hillary is blown up this wide is a sign that Americans cannot cope with political reality, but prefer soap and "reality" TV, so that is what they get.
Lauri
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 01:57 AMThe funniest thing was when Russia tried to fake some elections of their own in a, well, visibly not-democratic country. Sad, but the creator doesn't hand out intelligence in tons.
Alberto
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 06:49 AM'misspoke' sounds better than 'made a complete lie'. gotta love the way they spin things.
Susan web design
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 07:00 AMI think, that this is an example of how people want to make the history more exiting... And maybe this is the reason why some things in history have not happened as some people say :-) But I thought that idealizing is mostly common by men :-) Like when man catches a small fish, but he says that it was a monster fish :-)
Alberto
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 07:09 AM...in response to this comment by Susan web design. Good point Susan. If she wasn't caught out on this I reckon the story would have gotten better each time she told it to her friends. 20 years from now she would be describing events similar to how they happened in the movie 'Patriot Games' ;-)
Kim OJ
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 07:53 AM...in response to this comment by Alberto. Actually she talked about this event before and wrote about it in her book "Living History", but in less colorful and more accurate terms, so putting Al Gore's "Serial Liar" label on her as unfair. Yes, it was wrongfully put on Gore as well, but it was a newspaper selling story back then too.
Jim - Just A Guy
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 08:42 AMIf you think this bad you should see this story.
http://bluejersey.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=04A8BD46A98906D512076B4AC65438D5?diaryId=7104
Kim OJ
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 08:56 AM...in response to this comment by Jim - Just A Guy. Reads like shameless Obama propaganda in it self completely undermining the authors credibility.
Jim - Just A Guy
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 09:28 AM...in response to this comment by Kim OJ. The article has been changed since I originally read it. They have added the Obama stuff since the original posting.
Gina Squitieri
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 12:20 PM...in response to this comment by Mikey. That's okay! The boredom should only last for about a minute. :D
But I have to admit--it's pretty amusing to see politicians a-c-t-i-n-g as if everything they say is truthful.
Try this:
Put any American politician, any American TV evangelist and WWF's Vincent Kennedy McMahon* in the same room: Can't hardly tell them apart, can ya? :D
*I have no interest in wrestling-just drawing a comparison.
Kline
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 03:39 PM"I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,"
Lame!
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html
andrew
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 04:33 PMshe is not the first and she will not be the last politician to shoot herself in the foot or lie or misspoke....
Kim OJ
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 05:24 PMNor is the first time that things of little importance is blown out of proportion while important matters are neglected. Again, the American people get what they deserve.
Gina Squitieri
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 10:37 PMWow, Kim. That's not very generous. Actually, lots of people everywhere in the world, not just in America, get what they do not deserve. Here in the States, we call it abuse. But if you mean some Americans are blind, well, that's not entirely their fault either. And, as you can see from Jim's and my posts (Jim you're an American, aren't you?) some of us are starting to wake up.
Hillary-ious forced a lie on the American people and later was forced to tell the truth, because she had no other choice! She had to. She gets what she deserves, and yet, nobody's calling to hang her up by her toenails and waterboard her. That's not what I hear from the streets of SoCal--we're not all politicians, Kim.
Kim OJ
Wednesday 26th March 2008 | 11:38 PM...in response to this comment by Gina Squitieri. Sadly lots of people do not get what they deserve, but when it comes to democracy people get what they deserve. And that is people in the at-large-sense, not necessarily every individual. In a democracy you can get something better, but only if you demand it, and Americans do not.
Being cynic about politicians is an American national sport and hardly qualifies as "waking up", because you miss the point that politicians and campaigns are only as good as the people who elect them.
Obviously you should demand that politicians do not lie, but when you blow up insignificant slips like Hillary's you are not better deserved than what you get.
By the way, I am an American too, and by choice!
Jim - Just A Guy
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 01:24 AM...in response to this comment by Kim OJ. I did not want to do this but I am going to get on my soap box for a moment.
I have known since I was about 16 that our government was not really for the people by the people. It was the first time I took an interest in what was going on. I had 2 older cousins that were both Political Science majors. I was fortunate that they never treated me like a kid but as a peer. There are many Americans that have been slowly waking up over the years and see the travesty that is our government. It was when I learned that you could lose the popular vote but win the electoral college that I started to suspect something hinky was afoot. Then I started paying attention to what was not being reported in the news. Our media are nothing more than puppets. Great evidence of that took place with the our primaries this year as Ron Paul was totally ignored and misrepresented by the media. This is a man that believes in our constitution and wants to see an end to the American empire by choice not by downfall. That's why I have supported him from the first time I heard him speak last year. But that is but one example.
In my twenties I scoured the constitution to find out why we paid taxes. I wanted to see the law. I could not find it. I wrote it off to my own ignorance but I was sure it was there and that I was only missing something. I was wrong. There is no law. That is how some people have been able to fight it in court and win. They asked the IRS to present the law and they could not. Even IRS agents have left the IRS because they realized what they were doing had no legal backing.
When I was in the military I got a different perspective. I saw how my peers were used. I saw that even years after going in and liberating Kuwait we still had many troops in that area. I watched our military get downsized. I watched military men with families that had to apply for food stamps.
When I saw NAFTA, I saw America getting sold out. I have watched as our government has done nothing to discourage businesses from shipping jobs overseas leaving Americans unemployed. You can cut interest rates all you want but if people have no jobs there will not be spending and the economy will fall further and further until we hit another depression and by that time a majority of Americans will accept any solution the government sees fit to use. This scares me.
When I worked for a health insurance company I got yet another perspective on lobbying. Companies buy politicians pure and simple. It is money that runs our government not people. I watched California vote to legalize medicinal marijuana only to have the Federal Supreme court say no. No where in the constitution does it say that pot is illegal but there is too much money in fighting drugs and keeping them illegal to allow such a thing to take place. I mean the people voted on it and a majority said yes.
As for those that have ignored what has been in front of them for years, well they are the true believers. They believe so hard in America that they will refuse to see what is wrong and will blindly follow until the end. To see a good representation of what that looks like think of the agent in the movie Serenity. He knows he is an evil man but he believes what he is doing is for the betterment of mankind. Belief is a powerful thing and has nothing to do with religion. You can put your faith into anything. Many Americans still have faith in our government because they have not had that glimpse into the horror show that is slowly destroying a once great country. I love the idea of America as it laid out in the constitution. That America and the one I live in are 2 different places. I have been aware of that for years.
Our leaders should be held to the highest standard. No lies allowed. Hillary scares the hell out me because she has no experience herself other than being the wife of a President. You need better qualifications than that. Oh and she put up with his cheating more than once. Really shows that she is only interested in the power and not the people and certainly not in justice.
Typically I refrain from such discussions online as it opens up the door for someone to just come in and do everything they can to tear what I have said apart and then it becomes a little war with words and the meaning gets lost.
Kim I will agree to a certain point that we as Americans have done this to ourselves because no one was paying attention until it was too late. Do I think we could fix it? I sure do. But it would take a revolution at this point. Why do think the law makers are after the guns. Why else would you want to put a GPS tracker in everyones ID. Why else would you allow the FBI free reign to violate peoples privacy. They know that if people wake up they need to have things in place that will make it easier to stomp it out. People can go ahead and call me delusional or paranoid and I am sure some one will but when you have lead the life I have and seen the things I have you can not deny that there is something fishy going on and I would rather error on the side of caution and be overly sensitive to the idea of losing my personal freedoms then to ignore it and wake up one day and realize they are gone and that I the clues were all there and I ignored them.
Misplaced faith can have nothing to so with religion. Putting your faith in men/women to do the right thing once they have attained any power is ignorant at best. That was why the founding fathers put in the checks and balances that have been ignored. They knew what could happen and tried to give us a a structure that keep what is happening from happening. The first amendment was supposed to give the people protection and give them a voice to speak out against the government should things go awry which they most certainly have. A lot of Americans are afraid to speak out because of the way they are vilified by the government who use the media to make us look like nut cases.
Now feel free to shred me to your hearts content.
I do apologize if I have over stepped my bounds but to say that we are getting what we deserve just flipped that switch in the back of my head that gave me the profound desire to rant.
Kim I realize you became an American by choice and I respect your decision. My intent is not to be attacking towards you in anyway. I have heard the "Americans are ignorant, arrogant and get what they deserve" from so many places that I just finally snapped.
Lauri
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 04:18 AM...in response to this comment by Jim - Just A Guy. Mate, you should be posting stuff with a point like this instead of random pointless thoughts like Blog Storming. It was very interesting and educational. :)
Kim OJ
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 04:46 AM...in response to this comment by Jim - Just A Guy. This certainly deserved its own blog posting. There are so many different points here that I am not even going to try to address them all, some of which I agree with. I will merely caution you to look as scrutinizingly at the conspiracy theories as you do your government, you might find that not all blame falls in one place.
Hillary thinks we are idiots
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 05:49 AMHer new excuse...."was "sleep-deprived" and "misspoke"
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/i-was-sleep-dep.html
Jim - Just A Guy
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 06:31 AM...in response to this comment by Lauri. Lauri, thanks. the Blog Storming was an experiment and I get the point. Really I do. I did not realize I was typing that much until after I hit submit and saw it. It was totally off the cuff drawing off what was already in my head. It was totally reactionary. But I do appreciate the compliment.
Kim, I try to scrutinize everything. I try to look at several sources as I formulate an opinion. Sometimes I do well other times not so well. As I always I appreciate constructive feedback. I have come to respect your opinions as I have read the stuff you write.
Kim OJ
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 07:56 AM...in response to this comment by Jim - Just A Guy. - On getting what they deserve. Americans in my humble opinion are left with two very good candidates on the Democratic side, though neither was my first choice.
Gina Squitieri
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 02:02 PM...in response to this comment by Kim OJ. Thank you, Jim. You go, boy!
May I?
Thanks.
The problem with parts of America, as it is with parts of every country is, the people don't want to learn how to govern themselves.
So, countrymen and women are forced to elect "leaders," or have figures put in place, through no choice of their own, who rise above all and do the "decider"-ing. I have to give it to you, Kim. In that sense, you're right:
Those who want a leader "by choice" deserve just what they asked for: A woman who can't remember she never had the living crap scared out of her--WE JUST DON'T FORGET TO REMEMBER SOMETHING SO SIGNIFICANT if we want to be the President of a country. Do we.
Today, she can't remember that she didn't. Tomorrow, she can't remember that she did.
"I misspoke when I said that I never hit the button."
1 Timothy 4:7
But refuse and avoid irreverent legends and silly myths, and express your disapproval of them.
I'm just doing what the Lord commands, Kim: expressing my disapproval of silly myths. I'm sorry if you don't approve.
Galatians 1:10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
p.s. National sports are boring.
Gina Squitieri
Thursday 27th March 2008 | 02:10 PMAnd ya wanna know something else? If she can't remember that she didn't--I bet she inhaled.
Noel
Tuesday 1st April 2008 | 05:45 AMRead this - from one of the horses mouths - the little girl (now 20) who met Hillary and read her the poem on the air strip. She and her Bosnian countrymen are pissed about Hillarys lie.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03312008/news/worldnews/from_bad_to_verse_for_hill_104288.htm
Oh, she wont stor trying til the convention, but she is being buried in a hole she dug long ago. She is is paying the price for her lies and has exposed herself for what she really is: a pandering, bald faced lier who will say whatever she thinks will get her to the White House. She makes me sick. She is every bit the bald faced liar and spinner that Bush, Cheney, and Mc Cain are. All cut from the exact same cloth.
It's hard to believe, but there are Americans by the tens of thousands who will vote for Mc Traitor Cain if Hillary is not the nomine. Which she will not be. Obama will be alright for a while, but as sure as the skin drops on all who age, his will too.
Soo many are worried about a mans color. they would rather hae a lilley white fake, than a brown one who might try. At least till they get him too.
Debra
Thursday 8th May 2008 | 03:13 PMWho is John Galt?
I know I just stepped through my own personal idiot door when I started typing...
Wondering if anyone of us has yet awakened to the reality of what is rolling forth towards us.
I have never heard of an honest politician, so what is the deal about Clinton? They are all liars. We have no acceptable candidate for president. We got lazy since the 60's - allowed personal hedonism and self serving "live for today" mentality to take our focus. We were headed in the right direction and beginning to exact change by popular dissent and personal activism.
We, Americans at least, are all still doing just what we did in high school. Only now we are supposed to be grownups.
There is still a group of self-purported elitist "leaders", you remember the student body president, et al. They had the power to change anything the student body voted on. And they did. No one supervised them when they counted votes on school issues. Nothing happened in school that the so-called student body representatives did not want to happen - and the authorities that ran the school. Who is really running the school?
Then there were the majority of students who vainly/blindly follow the "leaders" in hopes of being recognized as "cool". If they go left enough, then the cool leftists might give them a nod in the hallway (of congress??). If they go right enough, then maybe somehow they will get recognition by the extreme conservative group and be allowed to sit with them in the cafeteria (if I sit by a Senator, will I be cool too?).
Then there were the misfits - the few who actually, back in the day, got off their ass and instead of just talking about change - actually made the effort to stand tall and be counted for change. (PSU/Park Blocks, dark police uniforms, the sound of clubs hitting flesh, screaming, blood, running from the insanity of it all - oh my, a brief flashback...sorry). Whether efforts were made in small ways or in larger than life was, all efforts were of significance.
It is no different now. However much effort each one of us can actually make has an impact.
We have about 4 and 1/2 years to make some changes. Not enough time to change what needs to be changed but we have to begin somewhere, sometime. I do not want my children and grandchildren trying to live around what we are subject to today.
And to the ones who know but run away, either then or now, we NEED you to stand/work beside us.
Off? or on the subject? who really believes that Bush or Cheney actually wield that much power??? They are pod people. So are our current candidates...
Please excuse rant - above collective comments evoked these thoughts.
Gina Squitieri
Tuesday 25th March 2008 | 02:33 PMIf you're definition of "exciting" is: Staged, so that people actually think they're being given a choice, then, yes, the politics of USA are exciting. For about a minute.