Ground Zero Mosque
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What about all this brew haw about the Mosque to be built near the “Ground Zero” site in Manhattan? What are we-as Americans-to really think?
Within this post are videos by two of my favorite orators: Keith Olberman, and Pat Condell. They both make excellent points, and I must say that I can truly agree with each of them. The fact that I can agree with both of them is quite distressing however, as there is just no way to agree with both of them. Their viewpoints are mutually exclusive.
So what does this make me? Gullible? Stupid? Shallow? Confused? Don't answer that.
What seeing both of these videos really does to me, is show me just how powerful the media really is. When I look inward, and realize what a bull headed reactionary I am, and then consider how easily swayed I am by the words of either of these men...Well, it just doesn't give me much hope. If I can believe either of these guys, just imagine how many side up with Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin, etc... It scares the heck out of me.
Spend a few minutes and watch both of these videos. What do you think?
What do you think?
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Gilly
Monday 30th August 2010 | 09:23 PMYou know if you read the New Testament you will find nobody encouraging violence, in fact the opposite is taught Love and Forgiveness. Type" violence in the new testament" in to google
Now type in "violence in the Koran" and see what the Koran teaches
Islam want sharia law in Australia, I dont think most westerners know what sharia law is. If they did they would probably take up arms
I think that the Muslims shouldnt build out of respect, but I dont believe that Muslims crashed the plane
Honestly we need to accept integration does not work, we can kid ourselves but we know it cant work
and it seems more political and business driven than religious
Jake Farr-Wharton
Tuesday 31st August 2010 | 08:35 AMI do not agree with the people protesting the mosque and have reported on it extensively on my podcast.
1 - it is not on ground zero, but 2 blocks away.
2 - Muslims died on 9/11 as well, and not just the extremists flying the planes.
3 - It was extremists who perpetrated 9/11, not your everyday Muslims. No man dies for what he knows to be true ~ Douglas Adams. (lets not forget what happens when extremist Christians have guns or bombs).
4 - There are Several churches and Temples in that same radius.
5 - There are also brothels, hot dog venders, banks, prostitutes, con artists, rapists, robbers, police, tax accountants and a whole range of other things you'll find in a city.
What I feel the outcry is about is the loss of the ubiquitous Christian Privelage. No longer is it just Christianity which is protected by "freedom of religion", Islam is accessing it now too.
There is a reason why Churches and Synagogues chose the area surrounding the WTC as good places to setup shop, it's because it is convenient and loads of people live in that area, which, I dare say, is exactly why Muslims want this place put up.
Get over it, America! (Obviously, when I say "get over it, America", I am not referring to 9/11, but specifically the mosque).
If you would like to listen to my commentary, you can do so here: http://blip.tv/file/4031543.
Jake Farr-Wharton
Tuesday 31st August 2010 | 08:35 AM...in response to this comment by Jake Farr-Wharton. Sorry, link is http://www.blip.tv/file/4031543
...in response to this comment by Jake Farr-Wharton. Golly Gee Wizz Jake,
You are always so measured and well informed.
Good or bad, right or wrong, justified or not, I don't think I would be wanting to spend too much time in this proposed building. My bet is that some loon will try to bring it down as some heroic act of get-back-ism. I would think there will need to be some huge amount of security around this perceived symbol of Islamic whatever. But then, that's what the powers that be want. Power and control are bolstered by confusion and fear. And of course, we are a nation ruled by fear.
Oh, what am I thinking...there's nobody in this country crazy enough to try anything like that.
Jake Farr-Wharton
Tuesday 31st August 2010 | 10:01 AM...in response to this comment by Friendo. I think Christopher Hitchens said it best when he referred to this project about being "about tollerance".
As you say though, I would not put it past Christian extremists to instigate a bombing campaign on the mosque.
Extremism is what America should be fighting, not a freaking Islamic cultural centre.
If Americans want to protest the building of ALL religious institutions in the country, I'll get behind that, but if they just want to ban a mosque, then they can kiss my shiny mettal ass.
Henk V
Tuesday 31st August 2010 | 01:02 PMReligious loons are everywhere..let me rephrase that..loons are everywhere... the religious are in that subset of humanity
The forest denizens are in good company
Jake Farr-Wharton
Tuesday 31st August 2010 | 02:14 PM...in response to this comment by Henk V. I'm 98% sure that I'm a loon.
To a crazy person, the sane people are crazy people. It's all a matter of perception and relativism.
gilly
Tuesday 31st August 2010 | 06:50 PMCRAP Jake
You are such an arrogant biased clown
Its got nothing to do with Christianity you trumped up troll. Only you would dredge up your tired old soap box and spill your boring old crappy bile out over and over again in relation to Christianity
The point is Americans from any faith or non faith see that this is wrong Any faith OR NON FAITH
you petty little man
You are just so one dimensional you have become perverted
Jake Farr-Wharton
Wednesday 1st September 2010 | 08:28 AMBiased, yes, I agree, Gilly. Given my close proximity to Ground Zero (i.e. I live in f*cking Australia you moron), I can see how my bias would effect my commentary.
You claim that Americans of all faiths and backgrounds have a problem with the Mosque, but the same CNN poll that suggested 68% of New Yorkers did not want the mosque reported that 71% of respondants were Christians.
If people want to build Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Effigies, statues, Parthenons, why should you care? The same liberties which afford your religion the right to build houses of worship are awarded to other religions... want to have a cry about it? Go winge to your pastor, I'm sure he has a space in his rectory to accomodate you and all the other poorly educated cretins who called Helthcare Reform "part of the Communist/Socialist agenda" and are totally convinced that Obama is Muslim.
Also, you used a full stop to conclude one of your sentences. Good for you.
gilly
Wednesday 1st September 2010 | 10:19 AM. I wont make that mistake again
You are a sook and one of the most biased people I have met
hiliting your evolutard and Christiophobe attitude is my favorite pastime
Toughen up boy
...in response to this comment by gilly. Onward Christian Soldiers...
f~
P.S. I love this shit.
Greg Wildie
Wednesday 1st September 2010 | 01:10 PMA couple of debating points guys. Calling the other fellow a f--king moron has not much to recommend it as a tactic. Either you are stating the bleeding obvious, in which case the other party has probably established that of himself any way, or you lose the reader as they wonder which moronic matter you are referring to.
Gilly, as a trial lawyer of some thirty years experience, I can tell you that starting your argument by admitting that you have not reviewed the evidence (I havnt watched them and I can see no reason...) is a sure way to lose any argument. In deed, the whole tactic of arguing from personal incredulity, supposing that being incapable of thinking of no answer to a question or reason for an action makes you somehow representative of the whole of humanity, is a fallacy of logic. A famous bishop once admitted he could think of no good reason why polar bears needed to be white, thereupon basing his whole argument against evolution as a theory on that one limit in his thinking. An Inuit could have given him at least three reasons why white was a very good colour for the said bear.
Personally, my favourite part of these debates is how quickly the Christian soldiers divert from any argument based on fact and revert to personal abuse.
Henk V
Wednesday 1st September 2010 | 02:49 PMah yes, a trial lawyer for sure...no reference, hearsay rules the room
Henk V
Wednesday 1st September 2010 | 02:57 PMGoldilocks? hitting up on evolutards and christiophobes? when? you have never once made a point... you know, argued a case.. cums with the porridge bowls methinx
All religious loons are the same. If you cant even contract for loss, how can you even wax philosophically..
It will be a pity to see all the nice music go,...apparently its probably gone anyway..
It will be a pity to see all the nice buildings go, but at least we'll get rid of all those ugly protestant chook feeding pens.
At least we wont lose any good literature, anything religiously relevant was all recorded long ago.
anyway goldilocks, comb your hair wiper your arse and mouth, not that the order matters in the case of the forest denizens... go meet squirrel or the greens... she has a...twig
how does it go again? "Onward christian bigotss... life starts with a gun.."
Henk V
Wednesday 1st September 2010 | 03:20 PMXheesh Friendo, are you in a cultural void over there? I am just at ill at ease in a government secular cooking school... every fifth person is a retard with a knife... apparently the school with retards with tool boxes is overflowing,,,
I am not sure if I have really had a problem with a person because of what they are until they start walking around with it. Thats when I tell them.
Its the domain of the crotchetty old fart, you tell folk where you fucked up so they dont repeat it..
I still remember a conversation i had with two plain as drawl Oz girls at tech... they said how wonderful lebanon is (just after the bombings)... and how much they like being there... I pointed out that whilst they are dressed as nuns in our culture, why not return to lebanon for good?
It's OK friendo, I said the same to nuns recently who decided to go full costume out in the street..
same as it ever was...same as it ever was
Gilly
Thursday 2nd September 2010 | 05:21 AM...in response to this comment by Greg Wildie. Wow Thanks I must remember those points when I go to court and face trial on this issue........Duh
Like the article mine was an opinion piece and believe it or not I was stating my position up front and making my bias clear
Yes bias because I can understand why 71% of US citizens dont want a mosque built overlooking a mass grave supposedly caused by the Muslims
I can see future issues with organisations, Christian included who may take offence to the people in the mosque and the mosque itself and cause trouble
To suggest that it is moved and any future conflict be averted probably ranks in the common sense basket and will be dismissed
and just for Jake.
30 year trial lawyer, I am in awe
Jake Farr-Wharton
Thursday 2nd September 2010 | 08:21 AM...in response to this comment by Gilly. It's not a mosque, Captain Cretinous, it's an Islamic cultural centre.
What does that mean?
Well, that means that they're going to tear down the dilapidated coat factory and put in a place where Muslims can come and hang out. There is a basketball court, a swimming pool, a gym, and a mosque, several offices, a small museum.
You've got to get over this whole "laws for us and laws for them" BS. Where the twin towers stoot is not sacred, it's not hallowed ground, it's the site of a terrorist attack, 3,000 people died because of what terrorists did, not what moderate muslims did.
If I have a bias that I'm unaware of, Gilly, please let me know, I'd like to tatoo it on my forehead.
...in response to this comment by Henk V. Cultural void my arse!!! I live in West Central Illinois...More like a cultural Black Hole...Not even light can escape. It was widely held for many centuries that mind space where I live could not be empty.
The concept of a U.S. State filled with healthy active minds remained in vogue among some politicians up until the late twentieth century. Television and Religious Propaganda have gone a long way to disprove this theory.
It's retards with guns, cars, and television stations. It sucks in anything that comes within it's furthest gravitational pull.
f~
gilly
Thursday 2nd September 2010 | 04:15 PM"It's not a mosque, Captain Cretinous, it's an Islamic cultural centre. "
"Well, that means that they're going to tear down the dilapidated coat factory and put in a place where Muslims can come and hang out. There is a basketball court, a swimming pool, a gym, and a MOSQUE, several offices, a small museum. "
Huh Huh Cretin Huh haa ha
jkregala
Thursday 2nd September 2010 | 09:50 PMIslam is not just about Osama bin Laden and his bunch of lunatics who use the ignorance of many to further their personal agenda. Since the constitution of the United States assures freedom for all regardless of religious affiliation, I see no problem in building this structure.
...in response to this comment by jkregala. Wow...nice comment. Short and to the point, free of slander and not so hidden agenda. And it refreshes...
f~
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 02:10 PMJKregalia, so why the popular disdain... americans forget that quite often the minority is to be protected from the majority.
As far as I can see it, there is no reason not to allow a centre for muslims when every other religion is catered for in the area. I think dropping Cordoba house was a bad move. It allowed the ignorants to rant and protest even further over a history they dont have a clue about..
Spare me, an american who knows european history? Only Immigrants...
gilly
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 02:17 PM"When the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity [become Moslem], then open the way for them" (Sura 9:5).
(conversion by the sword)
(Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."
(condoning war and pillaging)
Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land (conversion by the sword)
Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants
(warfare, justification for warfare)
Koran 8:37
In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
Koran 44:43-50
Verily the Tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful. Like molten brass it will boil in their insides, Like the boiling of scalding water Seize Ye Him and drag him into the midst of the blazing Fire Then pour over his head the penalty of Boiling Water
Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."
(Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."
[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 02:20 PM...in response to this comment by gilly. Goldilocks.. when are we going to get a proper facts based argument out of any of the forest denizens?
How do plait those short tresses of yours anyway?
G
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 03:27 PMI am bald sonshine
You will find that the quran is full of encouraging violent acts
Do you support that
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 03:48 PMIve noticed this goldilocks of the no argument persuasion. Ive also noticed that the phone book is full of smiths.. how can that be with so few horseshoes, breast plates and swords to be made nowadays...
just as the bible is irrelevant, so is the quran... My phone book is six years old so its probably irrelevant too..
Next?
ooh look... a pimple..thats prolly irrelevant for te readership..
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 03:50 PMBTW.. most of that doodle you posted about the quran is from the bible that was copied by the islamic editor... a Hagarite no less..
should read your history
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 03:56 PMwhat I love best is this little gem from Mr Nails hisself
Luke 19:26-28 (New King James Version)
26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.
28 When He had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem
29 KoshaBurga was closed for the sabbath so he set up a blanket of food for Peter
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 04:05 PMNot that I would ever do a bible online search of the word slay or rape or any other horrendous act seen in the Quran... But Mama bear does it with regular monotony as well. And obviously its absolutely out of context with modern thought... you would have to be a moron to believe that either is acceptable other than some ridiculous mythological justification... but have it your own way Goldilocks.
12. Isaiah 65:15
You shall leave your name as a curse to My chosen; For the Lord GOD will slay you, And call His servants by another name;
Isaiah 65:14-16 (in Context) Isaiah 65 (Whole Chapter)
13. Amos 2:3
And I will cut off the judge from its midst, And slay all its princes with him, Says the LORD.
Amos 2:2-4 (in Context) Amos 2 (Whole Chapter)
14. Jeremiah 15:3
And I will appoint over them four forms of destruction, says the LORD: the sword to slay, the dogs to drag, the birds of the heavens and the beasts of the earth to devour and destroy.
Jeremiah 15:2-4 (in Context) Jeremiah 15 (Whole Chapter)
15. Psalm 59:11
Do not slay them, lest my people forget;Scatter them by Your power, And bring them down, O Lord our shield.
Psalm 59:10-12 (in Context) Psalm 59 (Whole Chapter)
16. Job 13:15
Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.Even so, I will defend my own ways before Him.
Job 13:14-16 (in Context) Job 13 (Whole Chapter)
17. Proverbs 1:32
For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them;
Proverbs 1:31-33 (in Context) Proverbs 1 (Whole Chapter)
18. Jeremiah 50:27
Slay all her bulls, Let them go down to the slaughter. Woe to them! For their day has come, the time of their punishment.
Jeremiah 50:26-28 (in Context) Jeremiah 50 (Whole Chapter)
19. Ezekiel 9:6
Utterly slay old and young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary. So they began with the elders who were before the temple.
Ezekiel 9:5-7 (in Context) Ezekiel 9 (Whole Chapter)
20. Jeremiah 33:5
They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but only to fill their places with the dead bodies of men whom I will slay in My anger and My fury, all for whose wickedness I have hidden My face from this city.
Jeremiah 33:4-6 (in Context) Jeremiah 33 (Whole Chapter)
21. Amos 9:4
Though they go into captivity before their enemies, From there I will command the sword, And it shall slay them. I will set My eyes on them for harm and not for good.
Amos 9:3-5 (in Context) Amos 9 (Whole Chapter)
22. Ezekiel 26:8
He will slay with the sword your daughter villages in the fields; he will heap up a siege mound against you, build a wall against you, and raise a defense against you.
Ezekiel 26:7-9 (in Context) Ezekiel 26 (Whole Chapter)
23. Isaiah 14:30
The firstborn of the poor will feed, And the needy will lie down in safety; I will kill your roots with famine, And it will slay your remnant.
Isaiah 14:29-31 (in Context) Isaiah 14 (Whole Chapter)
24. Isaiah 27:1
In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong,Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.
Isaiah 27:1-3 (in Context) Isaiah 27 (Whole Chapter)
25. Ezekiel 26:11
With the hooves of his horses he will trample all your streets; he will slay your people by the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground.
Ezekiel 26:10-12 (in Context) Ezekiel 26 (Whole Chapter)
26. Hosea 2:3
Lest I strip her naked And expose her, as in the day she was born, And make her like a wilderness, And set her like a dry land, And slay her with thirst.
Hosea 2:2-4 (in Context) Hosea 2 (Whole Chapter)
27. Genesis 18:25
Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Genesis 18:24-26 (in Context) Genesis 18 (Whole Chapter)
28. Jeremiah 29:21
Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning Ahab the son of Kolaiah, and Zedekiah the son of Maaseiah, who prophesy a lie to you in My name: Behold, I will deliver them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and he shall slay them before your eyes.
Jeremiah 29:20-22 (in Context) Jeremiah 29 (Whole Chapter)
29. 2 Kings 11:15
And Jehoiada the priest commanded the captains of the hundreds, the officers of the army, and said to them, Take her outside under guard, and slay with the sword whoever follows her. For the priest had said, Do not let her be killed in the house of the LORD.
2 Kings 11:14-16 (in Context) 2 Kings 11 (Whole Chapter)
30. Ezekiel 44:11
Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, as gatekeepers of the house and ministers of the house; they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister to them.
Ezekiel 44:10-12 (in Context) Ezekiel 44 (Whole Chapter)
31. 2 Chronicles 23:14
And Jehoiada the priest brought out the captains of hundreds who were set over the army, and said to them, Take her outside under guard, and slay with the sword whoever follows her. For the priest had said, Do not kill her in the house of the LORD.
2 Chronicles 23:13-15 (in Context) 2 Chronicles 23 (Whole Chapter)
32. Ezekiel 40:39
In the vestibule of the gateway were two tables on this side and two tables on that side, on which to slay the burnt offering, the sin offering, and the trespass offering.
Ezekiel 40:38-40 (in Context) Ezekiel 40 (Whole Chapter)
33. Isaiah 11:4
But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, And decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.
Isaiah 11:3-5 (in Context) Isaiah 11 (Whole Chapter)
34. Ezekiel 23:47
The assembly shall stone them with stones and execute them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn their houses with fire.
Ezekiel 23:46-48 (in Context) Ezekiel 23 (Whole Chapter)
35. Jeremiah 5:6
Therefore a lion from the forest shall slay them, A wolf of the deserts shall destroy them; A leopard will watch over their cities. Everyone who goes out from there shall be torn in pieces, Because their transgressions are many; Their backslidings have increased.
Jeremiah 5:5-7 (in Context) Jeremiah 5 (Whole Chapter)
36. Jeremiah 18:23
Yet, LORD, You know all their counsel Which is against me, to slay me.Provide no atonement for their iniquity, Nor blot out their sin from Your sight; But let them be overthrown before You. Deal thus with them In the time of Your anger.
Jeremiah 18:22-23 (in Context) Jeremiah 18 (Whole Chapter)
37. Amos 9:1
[ The Destruction of Israel ] I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and He said: Strike the doorposts, that the thresholds may shake, And break them on the heads of them all. I will slay the last of them with the sword. He who flees from them shall not get away, And he who escapes from them shall not be delivered.
Amos 9:1-3 (in Context) Amos 9 (Whole Chapter)
38. Jeremiah 20:4
For thus says the LORD: Behold, I will make you a terror to yourself and to all your friends; and they shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and your eyes shall see it. I will give all Judah into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall carry them captive to Babylon and slay them with the sword.
Jeremiah 20:3-5 (in Context) Jeremiah 20 (Whole Chapter)
39. Joshua 8:24
And it came to pass when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness where they pursued them, and when they all had fallen by the edge of the sword until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned to Ai and struck it with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 8:23-25 (in Context) Joshua 8 (Whole Chapter)
40. Joshua 10:20
Then it happened, while Joshua and the children of Israel made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they had finished, that those who escaped entered fortified cities.
Joshua 10:19-21 (in Context) Joshua 10 (Whole Chapter)
41. Joshua 20:3
that the slayer who kills a person accidentally or unintentionally may flee there; and they shall be your refuge from the avenger of blood.
Joshua 20:2-4 (in Context) Joshua 20 (Whole Chapter)
42. Joshua 20:5
Then if the avenger of blood pursues him, they shall not deliver the slayer into his hand, because he struck his neighbor unintentionally, but did not hate him beforehand.
Joshua 20:4-6 (in Context) Joshua 20 (Whole Chapter)
43. Joshua 20:6
And he shall dwell in that city until he stands before the congregation for judgment, and until the death of the one who is high priest in those days. Then the slayer may return and come to his own city and his own house, to the city from which he fled.
Joshua 20:5-7 (in Context) Joshua 20 (Whole Chapter)
44. Joshua 21:13
Thus to the children of Aaron the priest they gave Hebron with its common-land (a city of refuge for the slayer), Libnah with its common-land,
Joshua 21:12-14 (in Context) Joshua 21 (Whole Chapter)
45. Joshua 21:21
For they gave them Shechem with its common-land in the mountains of Ephraim (a city of refuge for the slayer), Gezer with its common-land,
Joshua 21:20-22 (in Context) Joshua 21 (Whole Chapter)
46. Joshua 21:27
Also to the children of Gershon, of the families of the Levites, from the other half-tribe of Manasseh, they gave Golan in Bashan with its common-land (a city of refuge for the slayer), and Be Eshterah with its common-land: two cities;
Joshua 21:26-28 (in Context) Joshua 21 (Whole Chapter)
47. Joshua 21:32
and from the tribe of Naphtali, Kedesh in Galilee with its common-land (a city of refuge for the slayer), Hammoth Dor with its common-land, and Kartan with its common-land: three cities.
Joshua 21:31-33 (in Context) Joshua 21 (Whole Chapter)
48. Joshua 21:38
and from the tribe of Gad, Ramoth in Gilead with its common-land (a city of refuge for the slayer), Mahanaim with its common-land,
Joshua 21:37-39 (in Context) Joshua 21 (Whole Chapter)
49. Job 5:2
For wrath kills a foolish man,And envy slays a simple one.
Job 5:1-3 (in Context) Job 5 (Whole Chapter)
50. Job 9:23
If the scourge slays suddenly,He laughs at the plight of the innocent.
Job 9:22-24 (in Context) Job 9 (Whole Chapter)
51. Isaiah 22:13
But instead, joy and gladness, Slaying oxen and killing sheep, Eating meat and drinking wine: Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!
Isaiah 22:12-14 (in Context) Isaiah 22 (Whole Chapter)
52. Isaiah 57:5
Inflaming yourselves with gods under every green tree, Slaying the children in the valleys, Under the clefts of the rocks?
Isaiah 57:4-6 (in Context) Isaiah 57 (Whole Chapter)
53. Isaiah 66:3
He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man; He who sacrifices a lamb, as if he breaks a dogs neck; He who offers a grain offering, as if he offers swines blood; He who burns incense, as if he blesses an idol. Just as they have chosen their own ways, And their soul delights in their abominations,
Isaiah 66:2-4 (in Context) Isaiah 66 (Whole Chapter)
54. Ezekiel 21:11
And He has given it to be polished, That it may be handled; This sword is sharpened, and it is polished To be given into the hand of the slayer.
Ezekiel 21:10-12 (in Context) Ezekiel 21 (Whole Chapter)
55. Ezekiel 21:14
You therefore, son of man, prophesy, And strike your hands together. The third time let the sword do double damage.It is the sword that slays, The sword that slays the great men,That enters their private chambers.
Ezekiel 21:13-15 (in Context) Ezekiel 21 (Whole Chapter)
56. Ezekiel 28:9
Will you still say before him who slays you, I am a god? But you shall be a man, and not a god, In the hand of him who slays you.
Ezekiel 28:8-10 (in Context) Ezekiel 28 (Whole Chapter)
Koshaburga closed after 6 friday nights.. we dont do overtime, we are unionised!
g
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 04:35 PMGreat list Homer but
I am not a Jew
and as for Mr Nails himself, somewhat in the future you know beyond mankind was what he was describing, but hey you know context and all that stuff
Arguing with you would be akin to arguing with a stuffed chook. Certainly not worthy of my time, petulant child that I am
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 05:01 PMI take it you missed the point about establishing an argument. When your god is an indian giver and his son is a shonky car dealer herding a folk that are scientifically bereft... what am I saying?... goldilocks was a tosser in the original story.
State your case. Be prepared to argue it. Its the reason why Ju Ju ran away, he couldn't.
PS the great indian giver in the sky is the god of israel. Apart from promising lies to Abram (as the mythology goes) he is bound to israel. All the other gods arent.
Are you a jew by denomination or not goldilocks?
Martin Luther forgot that bit...
Henk V
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 06:06 PMPossibly the samaritan goldilocks or a danielite... goldi is a ethiopian name after all...
An ark, an ark! my kingdom for an ark!!!
Marvin the Martian
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 06:12 PM...in response to this comment by g. I find it absolutely amazing that when it is done to serve their purpose, Christians quote the bible (and by that I mean the Torah - the original book of the Jewish AND Christian faith), but when it is used to impeach that same Christian, the bible becomes a Jewish book.
G
Friday 3rd September 2010 | 08:43 PMI may quote the Torah MM but its not relevant to Christians
I have been around here for about 5 years, feel free to point out where I have used the laws of the Torah in relation to Christianity.
Dont judge me by other Christians opinions.
OT Jewish
NT Christian
I could treat you as an average athiest but I know thats wrong
as for homer, I cant be bothered with drunks
Jake Farr-Wharton
Monday 6th September 2010 | 09:06 AM...in response to this comment by G. Hey Gilly, Captain Crack-Pot:
Matthew 5:17-20: 17 [Jesus Said] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
G
Monday 6th September 2010 | 12:53 PMA little knowledge is a great thing Jake. It makes smarmy fools look like smarmy fools.
I didnt say the law was abolished
Go read whar I said again
Henk V
Tuesday 7th September 2010 | 10:54 AMyou are probably right there because the fictional Jesus was a jew and the fictional christians pick and choose... even very old texts, much older than the Torah.
Lets face it Goldilocks, next time you are at mass with the rest of your xenophobic catholics (and I dont care which sectarian you are), try justifying christian behaviour without the Torah.
Thats the problem with polytheism, you just cant ever make your mind up which way to go.
BTW, I didnt know jesus was a creationist. Surely he stated a position on this that wasnt from the Torah? Well no, the jesus of the bible never existed and the El of the creation would have thought twice about creating an hellenized ezritic Jew as the quarterback in the opening game of good versus evil.
In the beginning, God created stupid people.
PS Drunk? I might be worth a try but to get down to your level I would have to risk a sugar excursion far greater than the emergency department could handle.
I always talk to Jerks..ask mama and baby and squirrial
g
Tuesday 7th September 2010 | 06:52 PMPlease just 1 coherent post, its not a lot.
Henk V
Tuesday 7th September 2010 | 07:04 PMyep, if you try you could do it... no use asking me to write your posts tho...
...in response to this comment by Henk V. Now that's f#@kin' funny...
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Papa
Wednesday 8th September 2010 | 10:31 AMYou know they anticipated this publicity before they began the press release, and I bet they calculated that very aspect while looking for a spot for a Mosque. Anyone and everyone could be blamed, but it still stands. Freedom of Religion...
Henk V
Wednesday 8th September 2010 | 05:15 PMIs it worth a comment that for a country that is now trying to service the interest on loans worth @50% of its GDP that a religious centre in a city of the damned doesnt matter a fuck?
It's "just a little bit bullshit".
After all that, I'd have a green temple of Bob de Brown on every street corner. At least its some sort of infrastructure.
Henk V
Thursday 9th September 2010 | 02:47 AMIn a secular society, denying someone a place of worship on "moral" grounds (the press' words, not mine) is a form of bigotry.
Denying one religion the same rights as another when both religions are very well supported in a community is religious bigotry
Denying one religion the same rights as another when both religions are very well supported in a community even though the population surmises that a single ethnicity is involved is racist religious bigotry
Denying one religion the same rights as another when both religions are very well supported in a community even though the population wrongly surmises that a single ethnicity is involved is ignorant racist religious bigotry.
Denying one religion the same rights as another when both religions are very well supported in a community business as usual amongst the religious.
Religion, when you can't spell your graffiti ...
Lets face it, when you buy a burger because you feel sorry for a child with cancer on TV, you are just a little bit waaaay too gullible.
...in response to this comment by Henk V. Who's Bob de Brown??? and why is he green? No luck on Google.
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Henk V
Thursday 9th September 2010 | 11:15 AMOur myopic greens leader.
Myopic by nature, myopic by party. The greens are voted on by the cafe latte set trying to screw art students. It used to be rent a crowd, but they have all run off to heckle trade conferences.
You should watch Bob Brown try to say nuclear, he chokes.. Thats myopic
Gilly
Monday 30th August 2010 | 09:05 PMI havnt watched them and I can see no reason the citizens of the US, Muslim or not would want a mosque built near the heart of one of the worst attacks on US soil
But then we all know it was an inside job to destroy the US economy and not Muslims at all
Lets see if I will be swayed from my position