Christian doomsday cult: The world will end May 2008
Mikey 76 comments
A group of eccentric Christians have barricaded themselves into a cave and plan to stay until at least May 2008, as that is the date their spiritual leader says the world is going to end.
Authorities have tried to persuade the 25 adults and 4 children to come out, but they are steadfast in their misguided belief. Furthermore they are also threatening to blow themselves up by detonating a gas tank.
Any sane person might ask what good living in a cave is going to do if the world is going to end? Presumably caves aren't immune to worldly destruction.
Full story at The Guardian.
Mikey
Monday 19th November 2007 | 10:16 AMJake says: "there is only one thing scarier than someone willing to die for their religious beliefs, it is someone willing to kill their children for their own personal religious beliefs"
I couldn't agree more. They aren't fit to be parents.
andrew
Monday 19th November 2007 | 07:09 PMummm i wonder why the leader is not in the cave with them? does he have an each way bet?
raghav kanodia
Wednesday 5th December 2007 | 09:27 PMi think this is bullshit
there is no scientific explination for this statement
adi swarup
Wednesday 5th December 2007 | 09:29 PMi think those dudes are fucked up in the head man
rock on guys the world will not end because we got a lot
of skateboarding to do
sachin tendulkar
Wednesday 5th December 2007 | 09:31 PMi heard somebody killed himself because of hearing this and
he didnt wanna witness the end of the world
Gilly
Friday 7th December 2007 | 07:53 PM
Quote Jake\\
In my humble and rarely outspoken opinion, the more nutbag christian fundies that want to stash themselves in caves, the better. In saying that, the least they could do is adopt their kids out so they have a chance at a normal, respectable, and less gullible life. End Quote
We Christians should abort all our children before birth?
You sound worse than a Nazi Jake.
Why dont you call us Christians Coons or Boongs and take our kids off of us.
You Jake, hate and Bag Pauline Hanson, but you seem far worse and less accepting than she ever has. Sad Sad person you are Jake.
I could imagine you sending Christians to there death just like the Nazis.
Altoid
Saturday 8th December 2007 | 08:45 AMWhoa! Calm down Gilly! You clearly didn't understand the "nutbag christian fundies" he was referring to. I seriously doubt that he was meaning the average church-goer, just the radical ones who join doomsday cults and hide in caves. Which is indeed pathetic, though not, in my opinion, worthy of aborting their children, just giving them some education to live by...common sense for example, which would lead you to believe that caves don't stop armageddon, nuclear holocaust, or whatever "end of the world" scenario is playing out this week.
Jake
Monday 10th December 2007 | 09:52 AMThanks for the kind words Gillmeister, I was referring to the fundamentalist christian nutbags described in this article, and I certainly didn't recommend that all christians abort their children, I said, adopt out... big difference!
In saying that though, I would speculate that there are hell of a lot more orphans in Australia than abortions, so don't be a hypocrit and bag abortion until all the orphaned bubs and kids have stable homes.
I would be more than happy to see religion go back to the caves where it belongs.
Gilly
Tuesday 11th December 2007 | 08:51 PMWell Jake I call myself a fundamentalist. You are still a hypocrite. No doubt an uncharitable one at that.
Karin
Saturday 5th January 2008 | 10:37 PMIf these were Christian fundies, they wouldn't be hiding in the caves. They are just a bunch of nuts in a stupid cult that is based on a handful of Christian scriptures that they cherry-picked. A fundy Christian wouldn't be threatening suicide and would be living a pretty normal life.
The truth about Gilley
Tuesday 15th January 2008 | 12:41 AMGilley, be it a man or woman is a plant working for the Institute for Creation Research and The Center for Science Creation. He/She is paid to monitor this and several other sites, and create as much disruption as possible.
She does not use he own system of critical thought, and literally has no original though of her own. If you look closely, and do some research, you will see that all of her points, issues, and questions come from sites written by Walt Brown and Dr Gerald Lenner. Her plagiaristic and unoriginal work can be clearly demonstrated in the thread: https://rustylime.com/show_article.php?id=1106, where she represents this list of of questions as being her own http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=76
Gilley, we free thinkers do not welcome your style or tactics. I am going to make it my personal crusade to expose you where is see your post. Change your screen name as often as you like, but you I.P. address and server I.D. will always make you easy to find
What ever credibility you did have is now gone
bye
Sincere regards,
Gillon
Friday 15th February 2008 | 06:13 AM
haa this world wont end until year 3732 thats what Nostardmus said. You dont know nothing so just shut up! NO ONE KNOWS WHEN!!! ONLY GOD KNOWS! NOT EVEN JESUS KNOWS!
Carsyn
Friday 15th February 2008 | 06:16 AMSo to everyone dont believe this! HE is trying to scare you all off. THIS IS NOT TRUE.. DO NOT BELIEVE HIM. TRUST ME this world will survive for maybe one or two more centuries. The sun is expanding right now which rised our temperature by 1.3 degree already, of course we all will see antarctica disappear in our life time, and not enough water. But do not worry, let god take care of this
Christy
Sunday 9th March 2008 | 04:15 AMThe end of the world does not matter as much as the last things a person accomplishes prior to the end of time. I do not think blowing yourself to bits and pieces would be helpful on Judgment Day!
Matthias
Tuesday 1st April 2008 | 03:37 PM...in response to this comment by Gilly. "I could imagine you sending Christians to there death just like the Nazis."- and you accuse him of hating? Yep, I think he was talking about you alright!
M Clifton
Friday 9th May 2008 | 06:56 AMHi.
Well things do seem to be happening in the world right now since May 7th 2008 I last heard anything of this predictions of Doomsday happening.
On Wednesday May 7th 2008 sparks and bombs was going of all around London Essexs and Heathrow Airport was evacuated in the UK cause of what was happening in London UK.
Cyclone hits America killing 10, 000 people and a Tornado hits too then a Volcano in Chilli erupts.
2 Earthquakes this month on Thursday 8th May 2008 at 1:10am in another Country and there was an Earthquake before that somewhere else in May 2008.
Something is going on here cause it's happening all at once and that's very unsual.
This could be one of the signs of Doomsday in May 2008.
Well if it stops the Bills hurray.
M Clifton
Friday 9th May 2008 | 07:04 AMThey could be right those that are living in that cave from Doomsday they predict is going to happen in May 2008 and looks like it may be true after hearing what's going on since yesterday around the world.
Then there was a Missile test and that was predicted before Thursday May 8th 2008.
About time. Now I'm not crazy now and I'm innocent more than they'll ever be that want to kill us all over through this at least I don't use people's illnesses that are different against each other nor take their lifes away just cause they're different from norm or start Wars of.
Good luck to us all that don't do that.
Katrina
Friday 9th May 2008 | 09:51 AMThis is what you call a cult.
Does anyone remember hearing about Helter Skelter and some other guy in San Diego, who led his followers to kill themselves or and kill others.
Christians do not believe in committing suicide and are led by faith in God. Jesus said Im not of this world= meaning there has always been corruption in the world. Many people misunderstand the bible and its meaning but it not their fault they are led by false preachers that have an agenda of their own. Some preachers out there say to their followers that God will punish them and destroy this earth but this is not correct.
We the people are destroying this earth by using dangerous weapons on one another, (Jesus said, (Man will destroy himself) this was said in the prophesy to the disciples). He wasnt saying he was going to destroy this earth. So some people will twist the facts of his prophesy and say that Jesus (God) is evil and wants to destroy this earth, Instead of interpreting the prophesy correctly as a warning to the world to not lose their way. Jesus taught us to Love, unity, forgiveness, and to not judge others. God doesnt force anyone to have a relationship with him, He said if I knock at your door and you open the door and let me in , I will dine with u= which means its a choice not an obligation to follow him. It's up to you to either open or keep it closed!!
Katrina
Friday 9th May 2008 | 10:11 AMOne more note, He said what you do onto others will be done onto u ten folds.
These people that are escaping to the caves fear God but if they had faith in him, they would realize that they don't have to carry their cross alone.
The martyrs of the past: where tortured and maimed by people who didn't believe in God. They attempted to force the believers to give up their beliefs or face death and the believers chose death. They refused to change their religion and refused to curse god. However, They prayed to God with faith so no matter what the captors did to them they felt nothing, they were spared by God and died with a smile on their face.
The things that have occurred in our world is because of dangerous weapons are being detonated on the earth; as a result the climate is changing and this is why we have many natural disaster. The whole world is guilty for allowing it to continue this is why we are all paying.
M Clifton
Friday 9th May 2008 | 11:16 PMAt least someone sees sense and has woken up. What I don't like is that their closing post offices down cause there's some that have people with disabilites in them saying it courses problems for the rest of us. Now that's nasty for someone to blame them cause of their disabilites when it's not their fault they've got disabilites it's cause of the lack of a proper system that let's us down. We're all devided into like zoo animal cages cause of the system that especially the United Kingdom lives on. What the system in the United Kingdom is saying to us is if it's different put them in care and throw away the key like a wild animal on the rampage and give em a shot with a tranquiliser dart normal people in that system believes is all right for them. Then those that believe that and do that to those just cause their different when about 98% of british people don't know what a disability is when their near it are in the wrong for doing that to those with disabilites. You wouldn't like it if someone did that to you and decide your fate should be in care cause your a retard or something like that.
For someone to do that to someone different just cause their a retard with problems then that's NOT right.
Then 98% of british people wonder why they've got more problems cause those 98% of british people have done that to those who are different with problems. Yet they don't do that to those who are normal with problems. Well I believe that there's plenty of normal people with worse problems in society that should be locked up cause of them doing that those with disabilites on retards cause normal people believe are dangerous more when not all isn't. It's the other way. From my point of view and to some others say that actually it's those who are retards that have problems and those that have problems with their health who isn't retards that are the nicest people and that is true. Even the law gets at those who are different more in more ways than one when their in trouble more than those that are normal when in trouble with the law and normal people after a while when they've learnt their lesson and turn themselves around over a new leaf don't get treated like a retard and criminal for what they've done in the past when they've come straight. Though those that are different with problems and retards get treated like a criminal for the rest of their lifes all over even in School and out of School for it when it's actually their problems in differences that course it on themsevles or others by through no fault of their own cause their problems may be saviour and they get treated like a criminal for that. Even when you go through body changes such as puberty when your age 13 and 16 you get called a criminal beaten and kicked in for it when it's perfectly natural and normal and healthy though if it's someone normal going through body changes they get treated fine normal and allowed to go through it then they don't get beaten and kicked in for it. Doesn't that show what the system in the United kingdom is really like. We're all living on a false system that wants to make us into criminals since the beginning for going through that. That is a positive way to doomsday.
To save us all from doomsday your going to have to stop doing that to us those that have done that to us or you'll probably end up facing your own fate through what you do us when we go through that. As you squeeze our souls out of our mind for that your strangeling yourselfs to death at the same time in your near future when the tables turn for real of doomsday.
M Clifton
Saturday 10th May 2008 | 12:00 AMWhat I don't like neither is that they give out Benefits to those who are normal looking that probably some of them don't really have disabilites yet those that are geniuin with disabilites when those that are different from normal have disabilites are genuin and some get less money.
They treat those with Benefits that have real disabilites as criminals then not those that don't have disabilites when they claim Benefits it goes those who are really normal that normal people think they have disabilites and yet they think some that don't look like they've got disabilites when they have in more ways than one get called criminals. Now that's brutal what some normal people and shouldn't be allowed to do that.
It makes those with real disabilites feel bad and nothing about themselves.
That's what some think of me in my area and yes I have a few things that cause me problems now and then though not savior am able it's just my voice that speaks husky and my breathing they believe is a funny sound what's that sound your making when it's my Asthma.
Then they believe that's a crime.
Well those that believe that in my area are wrong.
That's the United Kingdom for ya.
M Clifton
Saturday 10th May 2008 | 03:15 AMWhy do certain communites want to keep things quiet about corruption in the Government and forces when they know corruption destroys society as they know it and their own lifes too?
That's just beyond me.
Something tells me they like violence and destroying people's life for any reason and that is a sure sign of a insane phsycopath nutter and their no better than Hitler and War and it's them that have a serious problem there
Superboy
Saturday 10th May 2008 | 03:22 AMDid you know that it's the Thaliban and Afghans who are in the illegal drug trade that gives it out to others international first which makes their targets victims of been a criminal cause of it.
Then they should make the Thaliban and Afghans criminals for that not the other way round.
Digger
Saturday 10th May 2008 | 06:57 AMThe real terrorists are Mrs Jennifer Scarf of the UK Mrs Concentine of the UK and Mr. Chris Jolly of the UK and Mr. Duncan Chisem of the UK that go round taking your life away by taking normal and natural things away from you by saying your not allowed cause your a retard then they say no 4 ya.
They are terrorists to me.
M Clifton
Saturday 10th May 2008 | 09:22 PMSomeone called Peter Buckley of the UK gets his own Job with problems and Peter Buckley made me drawn when I was 10 in the swimming pool from a School lesson we was at and later in life he gets away with it all yet if I go through body changes or relationships or what teenagers go through when I was a teenager back in the early 90's I would get treated like a criminal all the time no matter what for that when that's what I was going through at the time.
Peter Buckley hardly gets any bad treatement to this day for what he did to me in the early 90's when Peter Buckley drawned me then and he only gets a hard time then and I get that when I was a teenager then too cause they saw me as adult for what I did when it was only body changes I was going through at the time.
Well that's justice in the UK for ya.
Now I dare not get a Job nor nothing like what Peter Buckley has had with his own business cause I know I'll get the same treatment over and over again that I received from Teachers Headmaster and Boarders Staff at my old School and by my Gran that's now my late Gran.
By the way I'm not a christian.
M Clifton
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 05:17 AMThey don't teach anything much these days do they?
Well I don't think so.
I know your probably asking what's this got to do with that doomsday cult in the cave, well my answer is this, not at all nothing to do with the doomsday cult in the cave just needs a bit more to this board than that subject too.
Only the other day I was having a viewing of my new address and thought I heard someone shout out "He's Broken Into That Flat" coming from youngsters on Friday 9th May 2008 that shows they don't know anything not teachers teaching those kind of things.
Think they shouted that out cause I looked different from them and I believe they believe that anyone different from normal people shouldn't be allowed to do that in dwellings when I'm no different than normal people are.
Only got a husky voice and Asthma still was born normal to begin until I was 7 began to develop a husky voice and later Asthma which is now with me for the rest of my life though that's not my fault just one of those things doesn't mean I'm wanting to be treated different just cause it makes me look different.
Those that try to do that to me are in the wrong.
Cause their Jerks, Shitheads!
Cape Crusader
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 08:11 AMScarborough North Yorkshire UK needs help where normal people need to be told that they cannot accuse those who are different in anyway for breaking into addresses when there's broken glass caused by him/her when someone different is actually viewing that address for moving into.
That you cannot beat nor kick someone for going through body changes when your age 13 and 16 when it's someone different whether their been sick or not.
Cape Crusader
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 08:12 AMI mean when there's NO broken glass on windows or doors.
Katrina
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 04:20 PM...in response to this comment by M Clifton. Hi,
On the same note that you mentioned, I have found this short video it's called
December 21 2012 THE END :
I must agree with you there has been some incredible things that have occurred in the past 7 yrs. For example, Iraqis faced the cruelest death ever and they are being removed completely from civilization. American soldiers, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestine, and Africa the same scenario, people that have lived and seen what these people did preferred death over life. Then we have had floods, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, and many other natural disasters all over the world. Can it be the end for us all? Its very possible with world war III, if we continue to use those nukes all over the world this will be the end of our world it was written. The Mayans predicted that the end will be in 2012 its very possible, because of the people that used usury have enslaved the world to continue wars to pay debts. However, I dont think that the world is ready to end quiet yet at least not this yr.
Cape Crusader
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 10:51 PMWhen I say Scarborough UK needs help I mean as in mental help for normal people that do that to those who are different in anyway just cause their different.
Freedom Defendor
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 10:58 PMCan't believe that there's a lot of people that want the world to end out there and using Wars as one of the methods to destroy this planet forever. Well if you really want to save us from doomsday stop all the Bills end all those that control us through the laws of the land end all laws politics that seem to create the Wars first. Stop money been created and live on free land without having to pay for roofs over our heads.
It's probably the only way right now to save us all from doom.
Freedom Defendor
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 11:04 PMI don't mean end as in kill those that control the laws of the land to our death no, I mean to kill the laws of the land that destroy us first cause it is there that that system created around the laws is the one that turns you into criminals first.
It is only when the Internet came out that everyone was been called a pedophile and some innocent people too was called pedophiles when wasn't at all such as Matthew Kelly was innocent and now he fears he's gonna be treated like a criminal. You see it's as soon as something like the Internet or a new system comes out that we're all criminals according to them.
That's not freedom.
Freedom Defendor
Sunday 11th May 2008 | 11:11 PMThere's a 69 year old in America that hangs out with 21 year old girls and their like adults even though he's 69 and the girls are age 21 I know it's a big age gap still there adults and a 69 year old should be allowed to hang out with 21 year olds even 18 years cause their adults too when you become 18. Even he fears that he's been treated like a criminal cause of his age when he's hanging out with adults that are age 21. Hardly a pedophile. The law also goes by your size and when it's someone your own size that is a adult just like you they see the one next to you as a kid when he's not.
You see what kind of a world we're living in.
Freedom Defendor
Monday 12th May 2008 | 12:36 AMWhy not instead just charge people once in a life time payment for their roof over their head for £318 and that's it. Yours for the rest of your life unless you decide you want to move again.
Forget Debts by cancelling their overdrafts allowance the consumers claim for then payback when they can if they got the money at the time for those that all ready in debt higher than they can afford or just completely forget about customers debts and start fresh without such thing as overdrafts.
It's the only way.
Katrina
Monday 12th May 2008 | 02:29 PMHi Freedom Defendor,
I thought this article might be interesting to u, and or anyone else that is reading this blog. Interesting article but might be a little too long!!
THREE:
"You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name." (Do not take the Lord's name in vain.) The phrase "IN GOD WE TRUST", on paper money, is a phrase in vain.
Paper money is worse than an abomination. Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, But a just weight is His delight. Paper money is worse than an abomination to the Lord, because a $20 bill is no longer a promise to pay 1 oz. of gold, or even 20/35ths of an oz. of gold, and no longer even worth 7.2% of an ounce of silver, but the dollar is a promise to pay nothing! Paper money used to be a promise to pay an unjust weight and measure of gold or silver! But now, paper money is not a promise to pay any gold or silver! Today, paper money is nothing more than a political promise! People who call evil paper money "Godly", (In God we Trust?) are calling what is evil, good = Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I pray that the atheists win this battle to remove the phrase, "In God we Trust" from our money, and that the fraudulent dollar collapses in a quick death!
The Israelites lost their freedom and were captured by Babylon, in part, due to their failure to observe the debt forgiveness sabbaths, or Jubilee years.
How can society expect that future generations must pay 80% income tax rates to keep the current system going? I've read that even a 100% tax rate on all income would no longer be enough to balance the budget.
Some say that God has a way of making sure that a debt forgiveness takes place about every 50 years, whether societies agree to have them or not. In 1933, gold debts were defaulted on, as gold was revalued from $20 to $35/oz., and as it became illegal for Americans to own gold. It happened again 38 years later in 1971, as dollars were no longer redeemable for gold by foreigners. Again, 30 years later, in 2001, gold prices started to rise again, as those people who made promises to deliver gold began to have difficulty, and were forced to start buying gold on the open market to meet their excessive promises. We may see another gold default, this time in futures contracts, after which, I'd expect the gold price to really move up quite dramatically. Perhaps in less than a year after such a default!
Katrina
Monday 12th May 2008 | 02:35 PMContinue,
FIVE:
"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you."
There is another verse that describes how to achieve long life:
Deuteronomy 25:15 "But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee."Why are having honest weights and measures able to provide a similar result to honoring your father and mother? Maybe because parents give you everything, for years, during a time when you cannot repay. Later in life, you may have the opportunity to repay your parents for raising you up; and helping them live life happily into old age. And how can a person save money for old age, unless the money has lasting and honest value; such as with gold and silver--and even use such savings to pay for care? But if an old person lived his life in such a way as to rob from the younger generation, by leaving nothing but debts, who will take care of the elderly when the sons and daughters are embittered and enslaved?
The generation that introduced paper money did not honor their parents, who used honest money in the U.S. for over 100 years. Society's failure to obey the fifth commandment around the time of the creation of the Fed in 1913, eventually led to the creation of a government funded social security system in the 1930's, during the great depression. Since people would not honor their parents, government would. But government and socialism is no substitute for God's provision of the family. The social security system does not honor old people: social security is socialism, communism, & theft! The trust fund was raided years ago, and now, these "unfunded mandates" or "social debts" will destroy the dollar just as unpayable war debts caused Germany's hyperinflation in the 1920's. And when the dollar is fully destroyed, not only will the social security safety net completely collapse, so, too will all savings in bonds or dollars be completely destroyed. With no savings, and no government checks, people will not be able to enjoy old age. All because generations of people refused to honor their parents, and refused honest weights and measures.
The solution, of course, is to return to honest weights and measures of gold and silver. If you own these, as they increase in value, poverty will not shorten your life.
SIX:
"You shall not murder."
Abe Lincoln and JFK were murdered because they were going to fight the banks.
The Fed was founded in 1913, and immediately thereafter, World War I broke out. The banks financed each side of the war, to ensure that whoever won would be enslaved with debt. Mass murder was used to increase the power and importance of the government granted monopoly of the ability to issue debts of dollars.
By the end of WWII, the U.S. owed about $250 billion, which, at $35/oz. (the fixed gold price then), is 7.1 billion ounces of gold. But the amount of gold that has been mined in all of human history is only about 4.8 billion ounces. War was used to create a completely unpayable debt that enslaved America. After WWII, the income tax was widely increased upon all Americans, temporarily, to pay the completely unpayable war debt, which has never been repaid, but only increased. And the temporary taxes have become rather permanent, and are heavier than ever.
Paper money requires legal tender laws and taxation, which require force, threats, and murders to keep the fraud going. Anyone who supports the dollar, or who holds substantial amounts of dollars, or bonds, supports murder, as a matter of national policy and history.
Many believe that the Iraq war's purpose was to secure oil, to prop up the economy and the dollar, since Iraq was going to sell oil for Euros.
Nobody needs to kill anyone to ensure that gold or silver has value.
Katrina
Monday 12th May 2008 | 02:46 PMSEVEN:
"You shall not commit adultery."
How does adultery relate to paper money?
Israel is described as a whore, because she turns away from the King of Kings (God), and turns to the Kings of the earth for security. (Ezekiel 16:31-34) She lends to the nations; and rules them. (Deuteronomy 15:6)
Moneylenders who lend to the nations, and thereby rule them, are described as the "Mother of Harlots" in Revelation 17-18.
A key feature of the "Mother of Harlots" is that she kills the prophets; so she is also a murderer. (Violation of the previous commandment.)
I suppose that Jesus said to the religious leaders of his day that the harlots would enter the kingdom before them, because their monetary harlotry was far worse of a sin than that practiced by a typical harlot, who is typically very poor and who does it out of economic survival.
Matthew 21:31 ...Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
All who loan money at any interest rate are harlots, (Ezekiel 16:31-34; Revelation 17-18), extortioners (Ezekiel 22:12), and slave traders (Nehemiah 5).
According to God, if you own a savings account, you are a daughter whore to the banks, the mother of whores.
If you own a corporate bond, you are an extortioner--you will resort to Police force to expropriate the assets of a company if they cannot pay the interest, and the stockholders will be robbed.
If you own a U.S. T-Bill, you are trying to enslave the people and nation of the U.S.-- especially through taxes, as you are demanding over 50% of wage earners' income to pay the interest on your bonds.
EIGHT:
"You shall not steal."
Paper money is theft; inflation is theft, and the income tax is theft.
Paper money prevents people from saving property (money) since it is constantly losing value due to the theft of inflation.
Banks are institutions of theft, as they practice "fractional reserve lending". They are bankrupt institutions, formed for several deceptive purposes. First, to deceive people into thinking that they are not responsible enough to protect their own wealth. A people who cannot protect their wealth, also cannot protect their own personal, bodily freedom. Second, banks are designed to take money from depositors, to teach them that usury, or an interest rate, is ok. Third, banks exist to justify socialistic protection against bank failures; which justifies the very existence of the Federal Reserve, who is supposedly the lender of last resort, who lends to protect against bank failures. But bank failures have continued, even since the Fed was founded. The Fed is simply a monopoly, designed to help put competing banks out of business.
Banking is the primary mechanism whereby wealth is stolen from poor people and given to the wealthiest people of all: the ones who have the power to create money that does not exist, and loan it to the U.S. government, to enslave everyone else.
People without property are easiest to enslave. Property rights are a protection against becoming enslaved. Gold is the greatest form of property that there is, because it is the easiest to conceal, defend, and protect against theft. (Unless you deposit it with a bank in a safety deposit box.)
NINE:
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."
Paper money is a false promise, a lie of value; today, it is a broken promise of value. The dollar itself is proof that false testimony has taken place, as old dollars contain the phrase, "will pay to the bearer on demand one dollar of silver".
Usury itself is a lie. Bonds claim to pay about 5% per year after 10 years, but if the inflation rate is 10% per year, then bonds are a guaranteed loss. Interest rates are also a lie given that the largest piles of wealth can never grow more than 2% per year, as that is the rate of increase of gold mined on the earth every year. And it is impossible for the largest wealth to grow more than 1/4 of 1% per year. (Because at that rate, you could compound a single ounce of gold into 6 billion ounces of gold, over the entire history of mankind, which is more gold than exists in the entire world.)
The world's largest scam, paper money, has required a mountain of lies.
The government lies about inflation rates; understating them, in more than five ways, hedonic adjusting, substitution, excluding food, housing, and energy, and many other lies.
The government says that the job of the Federal Reserve is to fight inflation, but the Federal Reserve is the cause of inflation.
The government allows banks to operate as bankrupt institutions, through "fractional reserve lending", which means that the banks only need 1% or less of paper money on hand to back up all depositors' money.
The IMF encourages fraudulent accounting by central banks of the world. The banks claim to hold about 30,000 tonnes, but in reality, about half that gold has been loaned out, and the banks only have about 15,000 tonnes left. These central bank gold sales since the mid 1990's helped to cause the price of gold to bottom out in 1999-2001.
Banks have even passed laws to make it illegal to make true testimony against them. Anyone who causes a bank run is guilty of a felony. Paper money has thus institutionalized lies: "our banks are sound", "our currency is strong", etc.
For more information about this information PLEASE Google "Money Master" documentary.
M Clifton
Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 03:01 AMAbuse is against the law your parents will be treated as unfit if they abuse you when your a child and once a baby is born if you've had a past of troubles that could be a danger to your self or others your baby then 3 days later after it is born Social Services come and take it away to be put in care shown on Tele.
Though according to the law that when your 6 years old you cannot be treated as a criminal for going through nappy wetting and things like that if a Teacher calls the law on you for that yet they put 3 day old babies into care when it has just been born when not mentilly ill nor the one that hasn't had a self harm past. Yet the mother really hadn't a trouble past was just teenage things one goes through when you a kid and teenager and adults in the law world treat that as a crime.
Even old people do especially if your living with your grandparents through your kid and teenage years. Then you get called a criminal for that when it was only a kids and teenage thing you have happened to your self and it seems that is against the law.
Why?
When it's perfectly natural and allowed for others yet not if it's you if different in anyway.
Something wrong with the system.
M Clifton
Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 04:19 AMOsama Bin Laden is a good person really he's just fighting for his own country that is been taken over by the real evil Forces just for them to take over and ruler over others who the enforcers from the evil force controls through manipulation by storm and in many different ways. The real evil force puts the so-called WMD destruction in the country Osama Bin Laden is in for them to able to storm in his country and able to take over with force by intemidation from bullying. Well those that do that to his country are the terrorists. Who will win? I think eventually it will be Osama Bin Laden who will win cause the forces that storm in on those countries use the wrong way to do it and think they'll gain more power that way when really it will oil boil down to nothing and the real occupiers will take all cause of it in the end. In the end evil looses and good wins. Has done before when Hitler died in 2nd World War. This time I'm sure it'll be the other way round cause once they've exterminated all who are in the third race then they'll be no one left to control and those that they try to manage to control will hopefully turn and save themselves those that are left of it. Osama Bin Laden is a pawn to their game of draughts and is been used by the top superpower races for them to gain advantage of something they want in Osama Bin Laden's country and Afghanistan and Iraq and now Iran. You'll see it on the News if you open your ears a bit more than what the repitlians are telling you. The War in the Delta Zone and Afghanistan and Iraq is done by the same Troops of forces from the rich countries just been ordered to by the real people that's pulling the strings for their purpose only and the Troops have probably been mislead from what's really going on kept in the dark cause one said that they don't know what their doing there they haven't been told cause their been kept in the dark and been mislead. We've been fooled for a long time cause they manipulate words and picture seen and heard on Television. You heard of Never Believe What You Read In The News Paper. Very true. The laws of the land use the same tatics.
You don't have to be an insider to know the truth.
M Clifton
Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 06:55 AMThird World Order mentioned by one of the Reptilians on BBC 1 News really what she saying is NEW WORLD ORDER PAKISTAN was mentioned in THIRD WORLD ORDER against IRAN that's where it sounds like it's gonna come from.
M Clifton
Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 07:20 AMYou only have to get a Job and keep your self busy then they mention it on the News about that we're having a shake up on those who are normal claiming benefits back into work making it sound like we all can do it even those that are physically disabled as if they are been controlled when it should be up to you. You was born on Earth to be who you want to be when you grow up and do in life under the laws that is actually controlling you making sure that you get a Job cause everyone else has to or loose out on the Benefits life has. I don't think that's right. Not the way you thought the world would be like when your born. When your born you don't know how the world is gonna be when you become an adult even when your adult it's not quite what you expected. It's quite a scary u turn. Laws made up to get you there making sure you don't break them otherwise you'll know what you get many frightened to do anything cause of their differencies or whatever like that caue they'll know what they get if their there and Council Tax that you have to pay when your not even buying anything you still get arrested if you don't pay your Council Tax what a shithole this world really is when you come to look at it from another point of view. Depending on who you are and what your life has been like. All your lifes are controlled in everyway you cannot control yourselfs cause it's there before you and you only knowing that you have to do it just to keep some people that are busy bodies off your back from whatever.
Eventually we'll have no "will" nor soul left of our own to control for our own needs even those who are normal. You might not believe that yourselfs unless it happens to you. It's up to you to believe.
M Clifton
Wednesday 14th May 2008 | 09:41 PMIf they come and do that to the United Kingdom then I'm gonna commite suicide well before I'm age 80 cause I don't want to have to go through more problems when I'm old and from them when I've already got some problems in my life as it is. I've had enough of them too late now. The past has coursed damaged for me too now I only see doom ahead of me in the future and total destruction of the soul and mind. It's only a matter of time probably. Hopefully not. I've heard that others that have been through the same thing as me by gone crazy from the problems it's coursed for them and commite suicide that could be me next. Touch wood it won't.
M Clifton
Thursday 15th May 2008 | 02:35 AMHad this nightmare the other day and saw me hanging my self in some dwelling where everyone there was just saying he's swinging like I was doing it for fun when actually in the nightmare I had it was comitting suicide and had nightmares of funerals and blood pouring out of my body in the sea.
Very terryfing nightmares they are to me.
Perhaps it's telling me in someway that that is what my fate will be after what I've seen happen in my childhood days I for one believe it.
M Clifton
Thursday 15th May 2008 | 05:02 PMKatrina, you've been talking to me under nickname Freedom Defendor
Cape Crusader Digger Superboy is me M Clifton.
He! He!
George Bush has said there's gonna be a disaster in Iraq wouldn't he and his lot just love that.
M Clifton
Thursday 15th May 2008 | 06:12 PMWatch out for Paul Stuart he keeps asking for the same thing over and over again on the same day like he's widing you up then he gets you into trouble when you telling in a polite way he sees as an offence way cause he's got aspers and when you tell him to b off in a polite way from stop pestering for something then he tells his family that's a Cop family who keep getting at you for it over a text message that said b off.
Well if Paul Stuart keeps doing that he's not gonna have any friends left.
All that fuss over a text message that said B Off to Paul Stuart when his fmaily don't know what it was really about they thought it was just over a text message when it was about what Paul Stuart wanted an item from me that I was gonna buy him for his Birthday cause he kept on asking and asking and asking ringing up several times on the same day about me buying it for him he did that to me constant when he knew well he was going to get it then to get me into trouble for telling him to b off in a polite way when I said I'll still get it for him then that's a funny in the head friend I don't think Paul is save to be a friend of mine and he get's protection one of those alert alarm things on him for that when it was over a Playstation Game he wanted me to buy for his Birthday when I said yes I will buy it for him well not anymore. How childish is he at his age and he's like a an adult and Paul is older than me. Funny mind he's got.
M Clifton
Thursday 15th May 2008 | 10:23 PMYou remember that Film called Equarium where they teaching the young enslaving them into forbidden smiling and thinking for themselves then the adults came and destroyed their rulers kingdom that controls new recruite into evilness with Christian Bale the one that plays the new Batman maybe that's how it'll turn out like in the real world in the end cause no one won't listen to the Government with them doing that to the rest of the world then the people will turn against them and destroy their world instead for what their really doing to the people is more than what it looks like.
I think the Film is called Equarium not sure about that.
HornyTiger
Friday 16th May 2008 | 03:37 AMHad education at Woodlands School and the Teachers didn't even know what we're suppose to be learning.
The Teachers at Woodlands School back in 1996 and before that year use to just sit there and talk about nothing that wasn't even in reality lessons oh they did some lessons such as Maths and Science and Technology and Art & Craft and History and Georgraphy though most of the time about 98% of the time there wasn't any lessons taught at all.
You know why cause the Teachers at Woodlands School didn't have any qualifications and they had brain disorders that made them a mental towards some of us when went through certain things in our lifes they saw as a crime when wasn't cause the Teachers at Woodlands School are mental.
Had lessons by those who wasn't even Teachers such as the Nurse called Mrs Bennet taught us some things in Maths when we was in Mrs Concentine Class.
You call that a School, Woodlands School isn't a School it's a nuthouse for the brain disorder Teachers who don't teach you anything really that's why one called Fiona Morton left Woodlands School cause they wasn't teacher her to read cause the Teachers don't teach there it was just talk not about the real world.
Don't go to Woodlands School for your lessons cause you'll come out all thick and dum once you completed all your years at Woodlands School.
Katrina
Friday 16th May 2008 | 05:17 PMHi M Clifton,
I see only some of those names above that u mentioned.
Are you ~> Awesome Wells? I am curious, hahah.
Katrina
Friday 16th May 2008 | 05:20 PMHi Antichrist me,
I 'm happy for you, hahah. Good luck!
Katrina
Friday 16th May 2008 | 05:22 PMHi M Clifton,
Ops, correction, I only know some the names u mentioned above.
Antichrist me
Friday 16th May 2008 | 08:31 PMThe United Kingdom has all ready entered doomsday since the 1st World War the UK has lost since then and fallen into the hands of those who started the War in the United Kingdom and that's why almost everyone believes you should be cruel more to a retard than anyone normal with problems cause it's from the War days when Hitler use to do that to those who are different. Give up the old habits that have died hard before some the modern generation today was born.
Antichrist me
Friday 16th May 2008 | 08:32 PMBefore it's too late for us all.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 12:02 AMTo Katrina, No I'm not Awesome Wells.
Am Cool though well I think I am little joke there he! he!
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 01:00 AMMessage For Katrina:
Subject: Brutal
You know what some use to believe in my area that they do that to you cause your Gran use to do that to you when it was like insulting your mind Gran use to do then your friends get told to do that to you later in life just cause your Gran use to do.
That is what brutal is though they don't know that.
That shows they know nothing that their unfit and brutal.
It's true what they say about the United Kingdom.
And I'm living in it.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 01:09 AMThey even try to make innocent people into pedophiles remember what happened to Matthew Kelly from Television Programme Stars In Their Eyes that happpened to him too when he wasn't perfectly innocent in the first place and they still tried to make him look like a Pedophile.
Now he had been through stress and on edge cause of them done that to him you know why cause the law is brutal in that method treating him/her like a criminal before they do anything wrong.
From my point of that that is also brutal and corruption.
Watch out.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 01:11 AMI mean he was perfectly innocent sometimes when I'm writing I don't make words spell wrong on purpose such as the word wasn't was meant to be is when I was on about they was brutal towards Matthew Kelly from Stars In Their Eyes.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 01:14 AMWhen I was a teenager at my old School they even made me sound like a adult especially when I went out with girls of my own age when we was teenagers back in the 90's the Teachers and a Dinner lady even tried to destroy my relationship with someone called Tammy Whitfield cause the Dinner Lady didn't realise I was a teenager cause of the way I talked she thought I was adult.
She's a fool and brutal.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 01:17 AMI don't care what THEY say cause they have always been like that towards me.
Katrina
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 07:55 AMM Clifton,
It's sad, but things are changing in the wrong direction and this is all around the globe. Democracy doesn't exist, at least not anymore. The constitution was the best document ever created, which protected the people, at least here in the USA, but congress is not doing anything to uphold it. Criminalizing people is the new era; its a sign for our rights to being innocent until proven guilty under the constitution, (habeas corpus) being abandoned at all levels. I was talking to someone who happens to live in Egypt, recently, he said, there is protest almost everyday (civil unrest) because rights are removed constantly. Egypt is now a police state. Palestine, no one is able to move from point A to point B because of check points, women cannot even get to the hospital to deliver their babies, so sometimes they die in the process of attempting to get to the hospital, along with their babies. Iraq, is obvious of course, its a police state since we invaded it and Lebanon, is the same problem. So I truly understand the problems that u all are facing in the UK. I read somewhere about Australia where historians are being arrested for educating the public about particular subject. Our rights eventually will be something of the past, its unfortunate but true. Good Luck in the UK M Clifton.
I do have a question for u; did u get an email from Gillion? Just curious thats all.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 08:05 AMFor Katrina, no. Got no Emails from Gillion. I'm not with you lot. Why what was the Email about that Gillion said she sent me?
Well if this does happen to the UK what you said happens in Eygpt and Iraq well I'm use to having no real democracy anway cause my life was destroyed for me by my family who me gran said once after I said if I was normal I would have had a normal life and not be treated like they did at my old School. After I said that my gran said no you wouldn't have had a normal life as in even if you was normal.
There you see, my gran and old Teachers would have been the same to me too if I was normal going through what you do when your a teenager and kid such as relationships pubety. She would have destroyed me then too for going through that.
Well it's her fault too and theirs. The morons.
They know who they are and I know their faces now.
Two twins called Mr Phillips has a son called John Paul Phillips.
One lady with red hair I remember she was like that with antoher kid when he had his finger chopped off by a Woffle maker just after I got a Woffle when I was kid before other bad things started happening to me.
Then I stand by what I say I'm innocent.
Good luck to you in surviving it Katrina.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 08:40 AMKatrina, saw a sign in Tescos saying Helping You To Spend Less, thought well they could cut the prices down in shops instead.
That would be a better way to help us spend less then actually stopping us spending completely.
Stopping us spending from Helping You To Spend Less is what they really trying to say to us at Tescos.
The Death Senstance is back in the UK that's part of it.
I'd got accused once for my gran's death and she died naturally from heart failier which is caused by old age and they don't know that kind of thing about dying naturally from heart failier which is old age.
Then I got accused of the same thing for my Grandad death's when he died from certain health conditions too.
Now I get criminalised for that too.
Doesn't matter now to me cause none of this really matters anymore to me cause I now know their coursing criminalization on me since I was age 6.
Their just Jerks cause their bullies.
M Clifton
Saturday 17th May 2008 | 10:35 PMWhat family? A family that wants their own grandson to be guilty of everything that's normal that I use to go through when I was a kid and teenager and still would be guilty to her if I didn't speak husky and have Asthma then that's not a family.
Normal friends of mine that never went to the same School as me went through the same thing as me such as sexual maturity they even did that to me at the time when they was going through sexual maturity and I bet they never got done for it then why should I.
Thought I read somewhere where it's gonna be doomsday on 17th May 2008 or the pinch of it well nothing in doomsday hasn't happened yet well it's not the end of 17th May 2008 yet.
In someways I'm looking forward to doomsday then I won't have to put with them that have done to me first anymore.
M Clifton
Sunday 18th May 2008 | 05:59 AMWell I guess what I say is true katrina cause Simon Cowell From Britain Got Talent saying that others have been getting a hard time too from adults in the United Kingdom when Flava came on Britain Got Talent.
I think we've gone off-track here at some point. I forgot what the actual topic was :-)
M Clifton
Sunday 18th May 2008 | 11:11 PMThe UK is a fasim country has been since before the 1970's well before I was born.
M Clifton
Sunday 18th May 2008 | 11:15 PMIf the Antartica is gonna dissapear in our life time then we'll be able to walk across it without sinking and swimming and going on boats that sometimes sink loosing our lifes.
All we need is water from Rain and use the rain as drinking water and use it for other things like that then it'll be free and no more Yorkshire Water Bills that cost us the earth.
Michael Clifton
Monday 19th May 2008 | 05:49 PMThere's this man that drives around in a car he's quite old and wears smart clothes and he goes around on Buses too thinking that the music I listen is church music when it's Bon Jovi and one of his band players on a Key Board in a song called Let It Rock that Bon Jovi sings.
And there's this women with white hair old lady doesn't know what Bon Jovi is she thinks Bon Jovi is a object. He! He!
Then there's this women with long red hair who has dementia cause she sees things backwards with her eyes when your doing something that's legal.
Their all from the law of the land.
Idiots!
Michael Clifton
Monday 19th May 2008 | 05:57 PMYou know what my Gran use to do everytime I went through normal things such as body changes - puberty and enjoying life the way we use to do when we was kids and teenagers my Gran use to ring up my School and complain about it to the Headmaster and get me in trouble from all over my area.
She was a sick Gran she was just old. Old people are like that towards the youth cause old people in my area can't keep up with the modern world of Computers Mobile Phones Playstations DVDs CDs Getting Wet muddy and things like that Grannies see as against the law when I was a youth when it's not.
To Grannies when they was kids and teenagers it was grammer phones back in the 20's that use to play old Records fasion kind before LPs came out.
That's all Grannies and Grandads had back in the 20's.
It's why Grannies especially go against what we have in the modern world today cause they never had that in their days when they was kids and teenagers and they don't like those kind of things that's out today.
Perhaps one or two Grannies like those kind of thing well my Granny didn't.
Just been honest.
They'll say it's all lies couse they'll say it's all lies their old and once you get old you start to forget more and loose your mind in more ways than one.
Those that have said their all lies towards me are old cause they don't know anything.
Michael Clifton
Tuesday 20th May 2008 | 06:37 AMThe News has confirmed what I've been saying is true that someone else has been let down by having no family services that was suppose to help him didn't help him that led him into a life of crime cause services that suppose to help do try to make it worse for you by manipulating words they make it sound like your on drugs and other bad things that you don't till you can't stand up to them and do anything to stop them from doing that to you. They was like that with me too since the beginning since I was age 6. Bad services evil services they are. Their the ones that need help in their head and treated with a taste of their own medicain. Put them away ha! ha!
Michael Clifton
Tuesday 20th May 2008 | 05:06 PMThe way they do it is they put you in care and once you end up in care or some sort of home that's the end of your life. No turning back to a normal life once your in that situation unless you can stand up to them by fighting them in a good way by knowing all their tricks and brainwashing techniques. I sure know how they do it to get you into that situation that's why I'm still here today cause I've learnt how to survive their torment and bullying from experiences I've had before with them since I was age 6. I now know what to avoid from them and what to say that they can't make it sound like your on something or saying something else.
That's how to survive them.
Personally if I was you I wouldn't go to those kind of services for help especially after what's been said about them on the News just have home services instead.
Heather
Saturday 14th June 2008 | 04:17 PMno the world won't end may,2008. because it's now june,2008.
NO THIS WORLD WILL NOT END UNTIL AND UNLESS WE DIE. WE MEANS EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON THE EARTH. HUMAN PRODUCTION WILL NEVER END AND THE WORLD NEVER ENDS.
Jake
Monday 19th November 2007 | 09:15 AMIn my humble and rarely outspoken opinion, the more nutbag christian fundies that want to stash themselves in caves, the better. In saying that, the least they could do is adopt their kids out so they have a chance at a normal, respectable, and less gullible life.
I tell you, there is only one thing scarier than someone willing to die for their religious beliefs, it is someone willing to kill their children for their own personal religious beliefs.
No good can come of these cults with 'spiritual leaders', hevens gate, scientology, evangelism, catholocism, grease 2.